From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (smtp1.linux-foundation.org [172.17.192.35]) by mail.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B5D3DFE5 for ; Sat, 26 Dec 2015 23:06:50 +0000 (UTC) X-Greylist: from auto-whitelisted by SQLgrey-1.7.6 Received: from d.mail.sonic.net (d.mail.sonic.net [64.142.111.50]) by smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 58955A5 for ; Sat, 26 Dec 2015 23:06:50 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.1.190] (63.135.62.197.nwinternet.com [63.135.62.197] (may be forged)) (authenticated bits=0) by d.mail.sonic.net (8.15.1/8.15.1) with ESMTPSA id tBQN6lSQ021515 (version=TLSv1 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NOT); Sat, 26 Dec 2015 15:06:48 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 7.3 \(1878.6\)) Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_3EFA4552-CD49-45BC-952A-7A24993D091A"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha512 X-Pgp-Agent: GPGMail 2.5.2 From: Jonathan Toomim In-Reply-To: Date: Sat, 26 Dec 2015 15:07:17 -0800 Message-Id: <2D7C4E00-7451-45B6-94B6-07A7230FBF88@toom.im> References: <751DFAA9-9013-4C54-BC1E-5F7ECB7469CC@gmail.com> <246AA3BE-570D-4B88-A63D-AC76CB2B0CB8@toom.im> To: Pieter Wuille X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1878.6) X-Sonic-CAuth: UmFuZG9tSVYGrfQKsvSCvgCRdC3Xwk7Kw4J8n35L3gVu0QJofoJ3xrahbikmP8WYjHkF59GvA4pyzQdjl0FVlAn5+8OOjk6t X-Sonic-ID: C;UGiNViWs5RGxjMgxU3XIUw== M;FPEXVyWs5RGxjMgxU3XIUw== X-Sonic-Spam-Details: 3.8/5.0 by cerberusd X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,HTML_MESSAGE, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW autolearn=ham version=3.3.1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on smtp1.linux-foundation.org Cc: Bitcoin Dev Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] Block size: It's economics & user preparation & moral hazard X-BeenThere: bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Bitcoin Development Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 26 Dec 2015 23:06:50 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_3EFA4552-CD49-45BC-952A-7A24993D091A Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_6E020B0A-9FC6-4801-A433-4B10C1906168" --Apple-Mail=_6E020B0A-9FC6-4801-A433-4B10C1906168 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Dec 26, 2015, at 3:01 PM, Pieter Wuille = wrote: > I think that's extremely short, even assuming there is no controversy = about changing the rules at all. Things like BIP65 and BIP66 already = took significantly longer than that, were uncontroversial, and only need = miner adoption. Full node adoption is even slower. >=20 BIP65 and BIP66 were uncontroversial, but also generally uninteresting. = Most people don't care about OP_CLTV right now, and they won't for quite = a while longer. They neglect to upgrade their full nodes because there = has been no reason to. Given that a supermajority of users and miners have been asking for a = hard fork to increase the blocksize for years, I do not think that = mobilizing people to upgrade their nodes is going to be hard. When we do the hard fork, we will need to encourage people to upgrade = their full nodes. We may want to request that miners not trigger the = fork until some percentage of visible full nodes have upgraded. --Apple-Mail=_6E020B0A-9FC6-4801-A433-4B10C1906168 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
On Dec 26, 2015, at 3:01 PM, Pieter Wuille = <pieter.wuille@gmail.com> = wrote:

I think that's extremely short, even = assuming there is no controversy about changing the rules at all. Things = like BIP65 and BIP66 already took significantly longer than that, were = uncontroversial, and only need miner adoption. Full node adoption is = even slower.


BIP65 and BIP66 were = uncontroversial, but also generally uninteresting. Most people don't = care about OP_CLTV right now, and they won't for quite a while longer. = They neglect to upgrade their full nodes because there has been no = reason to. 

Given that a supermajority of = users and miners have been asking for a hard fork to increase the = blocksize for years, I do not think that mobilizing people to upgrade = their nodes is going to be hard.

When we do the = hard fork, we will need to encourage people to upgrade their full nodes. = We may want to request that miners not trigger the fork until some = percentage of visible full nodes have upgraded.
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