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It seems more likely that they used the prioritisetransaction RPC [0] in order to include only those 0 fee transaction that they were paid for (via lightning, creditcard). > I can't see how minrelaytxfee=0.00000001 could increase risk of DoS > attack or make it significantly cheaper or more effective. There are > the default 300MB size limit for mempool and 336 hours timeout for > unconfirmed txs. They limit impact of a low fee-rate txs DoS attack > making it ineffective. I could quote Donald Rumsfeld, but instead I'll point out that you're forgetting about bandwidth, memory[1] and CPU usage. - Sjors [0] https://bitcoincore.org/en/doc/28.0.0/rpc/mining/prioritisetransaction/ [1] e.g. https://bitcoincore.org/en/2024/10/08/disclose-large-inv-to-send/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Bitcoin Development Mailing List" group. 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