From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from sog-mx-3.v43.ch3.sourceforge.com ([172.29.43.193] helo=mx.sourceforge.net) by sfs-ml-1.v29.ch3.sourceforge.com with esmtp (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1WOSsS-00074J-Nv for bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net; Fri, 14 Mar 2014 14:14:24 +0000 X-ACL-Warn: Received: from wp059.webpack.hosteurope.de ([80.237.132.66]) by sog-mx-3.v43.ch3.sourceforge.com with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.76) id 1WOSsQ-0005yf-5E for bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net; Fri, 14 Mar 2014 14:14:24 +0000 Received: from [37.143.74.116] (helo=[192.168.2.2]); authenticated by wp059.webpack.hosteurope.de running ExIM with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) id 1WOSsJ-0003Rr-Ty; Fri, 14 Mar 2014 15:14:15 +0100 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_C6736CBF-43F5-4947-A66B-FFD291EC6098"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 6.6 \(1510\)) From: Tamas Blummer In-Reply-To: Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2014 15:14:15 +0100 Message-Id: <362072F0-1EA8-4474-AE26-4691C852A22C@bitsofproof.com> References: <52852C2D.9020103@gmail.com> <52853D8A.6010501@monetize.io> To: Andreas Schildbach X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1510) X-bounce-key: webpack.hosteurope.de; tamas@bitsofproof.com; 1394806462; 8d156cb3; X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam Filtering performed by mx.sourceforge.net. See http://spamassassin.org/tag/ for more details. X-Headers-End: 1WOSsQ-0005yf-5E Cc: bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Bitcoin-development] moving the default display to mbtc X-BeenThere: bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2014 14:14:24 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_C6736CBF-43F5-4947-A66B-FFD291EC6098 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 You give them a hard to interpret thing like mBTC and then wonder why they rather look at local currency. Because the choices you gave them = are bad. I think Bitcoin would have a better chance to be percieved as a currency of its own if it had prices and fractions like currencies do.=20 3.558 mBTC or 0.003578 BTC will never be as accepted as 3558 bits would = be. Tamas Blummer Bits of Proof On 14.03.2014, at 15:05, Andreas Schildbach = wrote: > btw. None of Bitcoin Wallet's users complained about confusion because > of the mBTC switch. In contrast, I get many mails and questions if > exchange rates happen to differ by >10%. >=20 > I suspect nobody looks at the Bitcoin price. It's the amount in local > currency that matters to the users. >=20 >=20 > On 03/13/2014 02:40 PM, Andreas Schildbach wrote: >> Indeed. And users were crying for mBTC. Nobody was asking for =C2=B5BTC= . >>=20 >> I must admit I was not aware if this thread. I just watched other >> wallets and at some point decided its time to switch to mBTC. >>=20 >>=20 >> On 03/13/2014 02:31 PM, Mike Hearn wrote: >>> The standard has become mBTC and that's what was adopted. It's too = late >>> to try and sway this on a mailing list thread now. >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> On Thu, Mar 13, 2014 at 2:29 PM, Gary Rowe >> > wrote: >>>=20 >>> The MultiBit HD view is that this is a locale-sensitive = presentation >>> issue. As a result we offer a simple configuration panel giving >>> pretty much every possible combination: icon, m+icon, =CE=BC+icon,= BTC, >>> mBTC, =CE=BCBTC, XBT, mXBT, =CE=BCXBT, sat along with settings = for >>> leading/trailing symbol, commas, spaces and points. This allows >>> anyone to customise to meet their own needs beyond the offered = default.=20 >>>=20 >>> We apply the NIST guidelines for representation of SI unit = symbols >>> (i.e no conversion to native language, no RTL giving icon+m etc). >>>=20 >>> Right now MultiBit HD is configured to use m+icon taken from the >>> Font Awesome icon set. However reading earlier posts it seems >>> that =CE=BC+icon is more sensible.=20 >>>=20 >>> Let us know what you'd like. >>>=20 >>> Links: >>> m+icon screenshot: http://imgur.com/a/WCDoG >>> Font Awesome icon: = http://fortawesome.github.io/Font-Awesome/icon/btc/ >>> NIST SI guidelines: http://physics.nist.gov/Pubs/SP811/sec07.html >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> On 13 March 2014 12:56, Jeff Garzik >> > wrote: >>>=20 >>> Resurrecting this topic. Bitcoin Wallet moved to mBTC = several weeks >>> ago, which was disappointing -- it sounded like the consensus = was >>> uBTC, and moving to uBTC later --which will happen-- may = result in >>> additional user confusion, thanks to yet another decimal = place >>> transition. >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> On Sun, Nov 17, 2013 at 9:28 PM, Wendell >> > wrote: >>>> We're with uBTC too. Been waiting for the signal to do this, >>> let's do it right after the fee system is improved. >>>>=20 >>>> -wendell >>>>=20 >>>> grabhive.com | twitter.com/hivewallet >>> | gpg: 6C0C9411 >>>>=20 >>>> On Nov 15, 2013, at 6:03 AM, Jeff Garzik wrote: >>>>=20 >>>>> Go straight to uBTC. Humans and existing computer systems >>> handle numbers to >>>>> the left of the decimals just fine (HK Dollars, Yen). The >>> opposite is >>>>> untrue (QuickBooks really does not like 3+ decimal places). >>>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> -- >>> Jeff Garzik >>> Bitcoin core developer and open source evangelist >>> BitPay, Inc. https://bitpay.com/ >>>=20 >>> = --------------------------------------------------------------------------= ---- >>> Learn Graph Databases - Download FREE O'Reilly Book >>> "Graph Databases" is the definitive new guide to graph = databases >>> and their >>> applications. Written by three acclaimed leaders in the = field, >>> this first edition is now available. 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