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So my multisig modification is non standard, now I am still puzzled by something, mainly the fact that we have op_pushdata inside op_pushdata, maybe I am misreading the specs, but in case of p2sh only the last op_pushdata (called {serialized script} (or redeem script) is executed, then if succesfull it comes back onto the stack and scriptpubkey is executed So, let's take again the BCH recovery example, scriptSig was OP_PUSHDATA 0014, and scriptPubKey OP_HASH160 OP_EQUAL, then scriptSig executes pushing nothing and into the stack, then scriptSig is pushed again and executed with scriptPubKey, at the end we get nothing + + 1 in the stack, then cleanstack (maybe among others, I have to read in more details your doc) says it is a correct transaction but non standard, is this correct? Le 03/05/2019 à 01:33, James Prestwich a écrit : > Hi Aymeric,  > > As Luke and ZmnSCPxj have pointed out, documenting standardness is > sisyphean, as it varies from version to version. I recently put > together a reference for default TX_NONSTANDARD policies in v0.18, > which can be found here: https://prestwi.ch/the-bitcoin-nonstandard/  > > It applies only to v0.18, and may already be outdated. > > Best, > James > > On Thu, May 2, 2019 at 4:29 PM Aymeric Vitte via bitcoin-dev > > wrote: > > Thanks for the answer, indeed for the redeem script and someone > attempting a 0/1 of 3, good example > > So to summarize everything is standard as long as it matches P2PKH, > P2SH, P2WPKH or P2WSH , the redeem scripts for the sha bounties are in > op_return > > Still the case of bch is unclear (it's related since based on bitcoin > code unless they changed the policy), was the story that nodes > would not > propagate the fix or that people did not want to take the risk to > propagate it? And why a non segwit old bitcoin node would not > accept it > either? > > Le 02/05/2019 à 02:10, ZmnSCPxj a écrit : > > Good morning Aymeric, > > > > > > Sent with ProtonMail Secure Email. > > > > ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ > > On Tuesday, April 30, 2019 5:43 PM, Aymeric Vitte > > wrote: > > > >> I must badly explain my point (or just wondering things that do not > >> exist finally), the question is indeed whether nodes will relay non > >> usual transactions or not and how to know what they will accept > or not: > >> > >> -   my modified multisig 2 of 3: I did put OP_2 out of the > usual redeem > >>     script, the redeem script still matches scriptpubkey and > scriptsig will > >>     execute succesfully, that's a normal legacy P2SH or segwit > P2WSH > >> > >> -   bch segwit recovery: it's a p2sh transaction without any > signature > >>     verification, as far as I remember there was a story that > it could not > >>     propagate in the network (even taking the risk to be > stolen) and that > >>     people had to contact a (honest) miner > >> > >> -   sha bounties: same as above, p2sh transactions without > signatures > >> > >>     etc > >> > >>     Will all of those transactions propagate normally? And then > the rule is > >>     just that it matches the P2PKH, P2WPKH, P2SH, or P2WSH > templates > >>     whatever scripts you put inside? > > P2PKH and P2WPKH cannot have custom script. > > However, yes, any custom script can be wrapped in P2SH and P2WSH > and it will be propagated. > > The P2SH/P2WSH hides the details of your custom script so cannot > be filtered based on your custom script. > > Do realize that once a claim on your modified x-of-3 is > propagated your `redeemScript` is known and someone can attempt to > RBF (or coordinate with a miner) with a modified `witness` stack > or `scriptSig` to claim your UTXO. > > (I do not know if `OP_CHECKMULTISIG` supports 0-of-3 but at > least one of your signatories could make it a 1-of-3 and bribe a > miner to get it claimed) > > > > I cannot answer for BCH; arguably that is off-topic here. > > > > The old SHA bounty transactions were propagated in the days > before `isStandard` I think. > > Either that or they were put in by miners. > > An SHA bounty can still be propagated today if they are wrapped > in a P2SH or P2WSH, but you have to publish the `redeemScript` > yourself in some other method. > > Or bribe a miner if the transaction is not time-sensitive (for > an SHA bounty, unlikely to be time-sensitive). > > > > Regards, > > ZmnSCPxj > > -- > Move your coins by yourself (browser version): > https://peersm.com/wallet > Bitcoin transactions made simple: > https://github.com/Ayms/bitcoin-transactions > Zcash wallets made simple: https://github.com/Ayms/zcash-wallets > Bitcoin wallets made simple: https://github.com/Ayms/bitcoin-wallets > Get the torrent dynamic blocklist: http://peersm.com/getblocklist > Check the 10 M passwords list: http://peersm.com/findmyass > Anti-spies and private torrents, dynamic blocklist: > http://torrent-live.org > Peersm : http://www.peersm.com > torrent-live: https://github.com/Ayms/torrent-live > node-Tor : > https://www.github.com/Ayms/node-Tor > GitHub : https://www.github.com/Ayms > > _______________________________________________ > bitcoin-dev mailing list > bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org > > https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-dev > -- Move your coins by yourself (browser version): https://peersm.com/wallet Bitcoin transactions made simple: https://github.com/Ayms/bitcoin-transactions Zcash wallets made simple: https://github.com/Ayms/zcash-wallets Bitcoin wallets made simple: https://github.com/Ayms/bitcoin-wallets Get the torrent dynamic blocklist: http://peersm.com/getblocklist Check the 10 M passwords list: http://peersm.com/findmyass Anti-spies and private torrents, dynamic blocklist: http://torrent-live.org Peersm : http://www.peersm.com torrent-live: https://github.com/Ayms/torrent-live node-Tor : https://www.github.com/Ayms/node-Tor GitHub : https://www.github.com/Ayms --------------3F1120A0D3BC06ECC8A3415B Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

Great doc, thanks, then my previous summarized conclusion was wrong, trying on my side to write a "demistifying (simply) once for all bitcoin scripting", not sure that "simply" can stay in the title at the end...

So my multisig modification is non standard, now I am still puzzled by something, mainly the fact that we have op_pushdata inside op_pushdata, maybe I am misreading the specs, but in case of p2sh only the last op_pushdata (called {serialized script} (or redeem script) is executed, then if succesfull it comes back onto the stack and scriptpubkey is executed

So, let's take again the BCH recovery example, scriptSig was OP_PUSHDATA 0014<hash160 of pubkey>, and scriptPubKey OP_HASH160 <hash160 of 0014<hash160 of pubkey> OP_EQUAL, then scriptSig executes pushing nothing and <hash160 of pubkey> into the stack, then scriptSig is pushed again and executed with scriptPubKey, at the end we get nothing + <hash160 of pubkey> + 1 in the stack, then cleanstack (maybe among others, I have to read in more details your doc) says it is a correct transaction but non standard, is this correct?

Le 03/05/2019 à 01:33, James Prestwich a écrit :
Hi Aymeric, 

As Luke and ZmnSCPxj have pointed out, documenting standardness is sisyphean, as it varies from version to version. I recently put together a reference for default TX_NONSTANDARD policies in v0.18, which can be found here: https://prestwi.ch/the-bitcoin-nonstandard/ 

It applies only to v0.18, and may already be outdated.

Best,
James

On Thu, May 2, 2019 at 4:29 PM Aymeric Vitte via bitcoin-dev <bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org> wrote:
Thanks for the answer, indeed for the redeem script and someone
attempting a 0/1 of 3, good example

So to summarize everything is standard as long as it matches P2PKH,
P2SH, P2WPKH or P2WSH , the redeem scripts for the sha bounties are in
op_return

Still the case of bch is unclear (it's related since based on bitcoin
code unless they changed the policy), was the story that nodes would not
propagate the fix or that people did not want to take the risk to
propagate it? And why a non segwit old bitcoin node would not accept it
either?

Le 02/05/2019 à 02:10, ZmnSCPxj a écrit :
> Good morning Aymeric,
>
>
> Sent with ProtonMail Secure Email.
>
> ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐
> On Tuesday, April 30, 2019 5:43 PM, Aymeric Vitte <vitteaymeric@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I must badly explain my point (or just wondering things that do not
>> exist finally), the question is indeed whether nodes will relay non
>> usual transactions or not and how to know what they will accept or not:
>>
>> -   my modified multisig 2 of 3: I did put OP_2 out of the usual redeem
>>     script, the redeem script still matches scriptpubkey and scriptsig will
>>     execute succesfully, that's a normal legacy P2SH or segwit P2WSH
>>
>> -   bch segwit recovery: it's a p2sh transaction without any signature
>>     verification, as far as I remember there was a story that it could not
>>     propagate in the network (even taking the risk to be stolen) and that
>>     people had to contact a (honest) miner
>>
>> -   sha bounties: same as above, p2sh transactions without signatures
>>
>>     etc
>>
>>     Will all of those transactions propagate normally? And then the rule is
>>     just that it matches the P2PKH, P2WPKH, P2SH, or P2WSH templates
>>     whatever scripts you put inside?
> P2PKH and P2WPKH cannot have custom script.
> However, yes, any custom script can be wrapped in P2SH and P2WSH and it will be propagated.
> The P2SH/P2WSH hides the details of your custom script so cannot be filtered based on your custom script.
> Do realize that once a claim on your modified x-of-3 is propagated your `redeemScript` is known and someone can attempt to RBF (or coordinate with a miner) with a modified `witness` stack or `scriptSig` to claim your UTXO.
> (I do not know if `OP_CHECKMULTISIG` supports 0-of-3 but at least one of your signatories could make it a 1-of-3 and bribe a miner to get it claimed)
>
> I cannot answer for BCH; arguably that is off-topic here.
>
> The old SHA bounty transactions were propagated in the days before `isStandard` I think.
> Either that or they were put in by miners.
> An SHA bounty can still be propagated today if they are wrapped in a P2SH or P2WSH, but you have to publish the `redeemScript` yourself in some other method.
> Or bribe a miner if the transaction is not time-sensitive (for an SHA bounty, unlikely to be time-sensitive).
>
> Regards,
> ZmnSCPxj

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