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contact bitcoindev+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 786775582512 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , X-Spam-Score: -0.5 (/) ------=_Part_219500_1467804499.1746445337946 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_219501_83679950.1746445337946" ------=_Part_219501_83679950.1746445337946 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Monday, May 5, 2025 at 9:27:24=E2=80=AFAM UTC Nagaev Boris wrote: There may also be users today who rely on datacarrier=20 behaviour/options without yet realizing they're scheduled for removal.=20 How is it possible that anyone relies on it in a way that it will be a=20 detriment to them? "I run bitcoind because I want to help centralize the network through=20 incentives to direct miner submission and slower block propagation, and by= =20 encouraging utxo bloating 'fake addresses' outputs! I also like diminishing= =20 my own ability to anticipate the content of the next block using data on my= =20 own node" ? :P Were that actually someone's opinion I don't think anyone= =20 would regret inviting them to run different software. I've been engaging 1:1 with people concerned about the change on forums for= =20 the last few days and I've haven't yet encountered any clear argument as to= =20 why someone would be harmed by the change. Rather, I've found that they've simply been fed an incorrect argument that= =20 this change is a product of "bitcoin core" being in favor of non-monetary= =20 (ab)uses of the Bitcoin network, and that it will radically increase the=20 amount of it. As far as I can tell this is a total falsehood both respect= =20 to motivations and credible effects, and allegations otherwise just don't= =20 survive the sunlight of a competent counterargument. --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= Bitcoin Development Mailing List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an e= mail to bitcoindev+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/bitcoindev/= 39a1d0b6-ecbc-42fa-93aa-3c4f7038aa5en%40googlegroups.com. ------=_Part_219501_83679950.1746445337946 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On Monday, May 5, 2025 at 9:27:24=E2=80=AFAM UTC Nag= aev Boris wrote:
There may a= lso be users today who rely on datacarrier
behaviour/options without yet realizing they're scheduled for removal= .

How is it possible that anyone rel= ies on it in a way that it will be a detriment to them?

"I run bitcoind because I want to help centralize the network throu= gh incentives to direct miner submission and slower block propagation, and = by encouraging utxo bloating 'fake addresses' outputs! I also like diminish= ing my own ability to anticipate the content of the next block using data o= n my own node" ? :P=C2=A0=C2=A0 Were that actually someone's opinion I don'= t think anyone would regret inviting them to run different software.
<= div>
I've been engaging 1:1 with people concerned about the= change on forums for the last few days and I've haven't yet encountered an= y clear argument as to why someone would be harmed by the change.

Rather, I've found that they've simply been fed an incorr= ect argument that this change is a product of "bitcoin core" being in favor= of non-monetary (ab)uses of the Bitcoin network, and that it will radicall= y increase the amount of it.=C2=A0 As far as I can tell this is a total fal= sehood both respect to motivations and credible effects, and allegations ot= herwise just don't survive the sunlight of a competent counterargument.



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