From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from sog-mx-2.v43.ch3.sourceforge.com ([172.29.43.192] helo=mx.sourceforge.net) by sfs-ml-4.v29.ch3.sourceforge.com with esmtp (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1Z5GVn-0001x0-Op for bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net; Wed, 17 Jun 2015 16:48:27 +0000 X-ACL-Warn: Received: from mail-ie0-f172.google.com ([209.85.223.172]) by sog-mx-2.v43.ch3.sourceforge.com with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) id 1Z5GVm-0000sV-Kr for bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net; Wed, 17 Jun 2015 16:48:27 +0000 Received: by iesa3 with SMTP id a3so37859509ies.2 for ; Wed, 17 Jun 2015 09:48:21 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:content-type:mime-version:subject:from :in-reply-to:date:cc:message-id:references:to; bh=iYraAlV1EuXFmo9EaNvORRiA5GBep9/ftumaAIeCzBo=; b=bVZJWjCw/EFiXsIcIjjlS+p2Vji4iewFNo62xulRnM3856bZZkedoCa4pCiB17FZTp DUBFAG2IPakyhhUMoI4uE0dERU8TpSt54S1HngeDo09T3bWg2+KyB8XTkAxf4/6NtuXE J9rWC0L1nKEd74in+EDFtjXg6UDAslD+/4NZoCEFzwlc+FuKu22HFe5FLBU5Oz7TcjOz PNfLKNg/rpFZnP8j6ZAXSp3R1ghW/tjeVEYfD8T1tdNw+WDoMvSYB6j1Wyivfw272K1o BA1kEUEVovkC5V/q7qY+ktJX3QrBd9P5zRKttOPGllqfHRflQsiXM5wtyY/7DnqpS8l8 ssFw== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQn7FTCk6mWGyjjdkRKVvsDoChCXLdGQFC8b9Lvo+FJmeczihTvgxccovvNS8stM85fzssxv X-Received: by 10.107.153.76 with SMTP id b73mr9171116ioe.36.1434557848049; Wed, 17 Jun 2015 09:17:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.2.79] (69-196-129-149.dsl.teksavvy.com. [69.196.129.149]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id pg5sm3448274igb.4.2015.06.17.09.17.25 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Wed, 17 Jun 2015 09:17:26 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_3F5B2EE3-85A4-4267-B3B7-C6AF8B463C4F" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 8.2 \(2098\)) From: Richard Moore In-Reply-To: <556CFC01.9030309@thinlink.com> Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2015 12:17:22 -0400 Message-Id: <3FBD7273-9A22-49EA-902C-0EE1F1F5940E@ricmoo.com> References: <556CFC01.9030309@thinlink.com> To: Tom Harding X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.2098) X-Spam-Score: 0.9 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam Filtering performed by mx.sourceforge.net. See http://spamassassin.org/tag/ for more details. -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 1.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message -0.1 DKIM_VALID_AU Message has a valid DKIM or DK signature from author's domain 0.1 DKIM_SIGNED Message has a DKIM or DK signature, not necessarily valid -0.1 DKIM_VALID Message has at least one valid DKIM or DK signature X-Headers-End: 1Z5GVm-0000sV-Kr Cc: Bitcoin Dev Subject: Re: [Bitcoin-development] soft-fork block size increase (extension blocks) X-BeenThere: bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2015 16:48:27 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_3F5B2EE3-85A4-4267-B3B7-C6AF8B463C4F Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Awesome graph! It would be interesting if you could use your Excel voodoo (or whatever = graph app you use) to add density as a heat map, making areas with more = blocks red and regions with less blocks blue=E2=80=A6 > On Jun 1, 2015, at 8:42 PM, Tom Harding wrote: >=20 > On 6/1/2015 10:21 AM, Adam Back wrote: >> if it stays as is for a year, in a wait and see, reduce spam, see >> fee-pressure take effect as it has before, work on improving improve >> decentralisation metrics, relay latency, and do a blocksize increment >> to kick the can if-and-when it becomes necessary and in the mean-time >> try to do something more long-term ambitious about scale rather than >> volume. >=20 > What's your estimate of the lead time required to kick the can, > if-and-when it becomes necessary? >=20 > The other time-series I've seen all plot an average block size. = That's > misleading, because there's a distribution of block sizes. If you bin > by retarget interval and plot every single block, you get this >=20 > http://i.imgur.com/5Gfh9CW.png >=20 > The max block size has clearly been in play for 8 months already. >=20 >=20 >=20 > = --------------------------------------------------------------------------= ---- > _______________________________________________ > Bitcoin-development mailing list > Bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bitcoin-development = .=C2=B7=C2=B4=C2=AF`=C2=B7.=C2=B8=C2=B8.=C2=B7=C2=B4=C2=AF`=C2=B7.=C2=B8=C2= =B8.=C2=B7=C2=B4=C2=AF`=C2=B7.=C2=B8=C2=B8.=C2=B7=C2=B4=C2=AF`=C2=B7.=C2=B8= =C2=B8.=C2=B7=C2=B4=C2=AF`=C2=B7.=C2=B8><(((=C2=BA> Richard Moore ~ Founder Genetic Mistakes Software inc. phone: (778) 882-6125 email: ricmoo@geneticmistakes.com www: http://GeneticMistakes.com --Apple-Mail=_3F5B2EE3-85A4-4267-B3B7-C6AF8B463C4F Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8
Awesome graph!

It would be interesting if you could = use your Excel voodoo (or whatever graph app you use) to add density as = a heat map, making areas with more blocks red and regions with less = blocks blue=E2=80=A6


On = Jun 1, 2015, at 8:42 PM, Tom Harding <tomh@thinlink.com> = wrote:

On = 6/1/2015 10:21 AM, Adam Back wrote:
if it stays as is for a year, in a wait and = see, reduce spam, see
fee-pressure take effect as it has = before, work on improving improve
decentralisation = metrics, relay latency, and do a blocksize increment
to = kick the can if-and-when it becomes necessary and in the mean-time
try to do something more long-term ambitious about scale = rather than
volume.

What's your estimate of the lead time required to kick the = can,
if-and-when it becomes necessary?

The other time-series I've seen all plot an average block = size.  That's
misleading, because there's a = distribution of block sizes.  If you bin
by retarget = interval and plot every single block, you get this

http://i.imgur.com/5Gfh9CW.png

The max block size has clearly been in play for 8 months = already.



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