Re: [bitcoin-dev] Yesterday's Taproot activation meeting on lockinontimeout (LOT)

[ZmnSCPxj <ZmnSCPxj@protonmail.com>]

Good morning list,

> This is absolutely the case, however note that the activation method itself is consensus code which executes as a part
> of a fork, and one which deserves as much scrutiny as anything else. While taproot is a model of how a soft-fork should
> be designed, this doesn't imply anything about the consensus code which represents the activation thereof.
>
> Hence all the debate around activation - ultimately its also defining a fork, and given the politics around it, one
> which almost certainly carries significantly more risk than Taproot.
>
> Note that I don't believe anyone is advocating for "try to activate, and if it fails, move on". Various people have
> various views on how conservative and timelines for what to do at that point, but I believe most in this discussion are
> OK with flag-day-based activation (given some level of care) if it becomes clear Taproot is supported by a vast majority
> of Bitcoin users and is only not activating due to lagging miner upgrades.


Okay, I am backing off this proposal to force the LOT=false/true decision on users, it was not particularly serious anyway (and was more a reaction to the request of Samson Mow to just release both versions, which to my mind is no different from such a thing).


Nonetheless, as a thought experiment: the main issue is that some number of people run LOT=true when miners do not activate Taproot early for some reason and we decide to leave LOT=false for this particular bit until it times out.
The issue is that those people will get forked off the network at the end of this particular deployment attempt.

I suspect those people will still exist whether or not Bitcoin Core supports any kind of LOT=true mode.
("Never again" for some people)

How do we convince them to go run LOT=false instead of getting themselves forked off?
Or do we simply let them?

(and how is that different from asking each user to decide on LOT=false/true right now?)
("reasonable default"?)
(fundamentally speaking you still have to educate the users on the ramifications of accepting the default and changing it.)


Another thought experiment: From the point of view of a user who strongly supports LOT=true, would dev consensus around releasing LOT=false be considered as "developers forcing their views on users"?
Why or why not?


Regards,
ZmnSCPxj

> Matt
>
> On 2/18/21 10:04, Keagan McClelland wrote:
>
> > Hi all,
> > I think it's important for us to consider what is actually being considered for activation here.
> > The designation of "soft fork" is accurate but I don't think it adequately conveys how non-intrusive a change like this
> > is. All that taproot does (unless I'm completely missing something) is imbue a previously undefined script version with
> > actual semantics. In order for a chain reorg to take place it would mean that someone would have to have a use case for
> > that script version today. This is something I think that we can easily check by digging through the UTXO set or
> > history. If anyone is using that script version, we absolutely should not be using it, but that doesn't mean that we
> > can't switch to a script version that no one is actually using.
> > If no one is even attempting to use the script version, then the change has no effect on whether a chain split occurs
> > because there is simply no block that contains a transaction that only some of the network will accept.
> > Furthermore, I don't know how Bitcoin can stand the test of time if we allow developers who rely on "undefined behavior"
> > (which the taproot script version presently is) to exert tremendous influence over what code does or does not get run.
> > This isn't a soft fork that makes some particular UTXO's unspendable. It isn't one that bans miners from collecting
> > fees. It is a change that means that certain "always accept" transactions actually have real conditions you have to
> > meet. I can't imagine a less intrusive change.
> > On the other hand, choosing to let L=F be a somewhat final call sets a very real precedent that 10% of what I estimate
> > to be 1% of bitcoin users can effectively block any change from here on forward. At that point we are saying that miners
> > are in control of network consensus in ways they have not been up until now. I don't think this is a more desirable
> > outcome to let ~0.1% of the network get to block /non-intrusive/ changes that the rest of the network wants.
> > I can certainly live with an L=F attempt as a way to punt on the discussion, maybe the activation happens and this will
> > all be fine. But if it doesn't, I hardly think that users of Bitcoin are just going to be like "well, guess that's it
> > for Taproot". I have no idea what ensues at that point, but probably another community led UASF movement.
> > I wasn't super well educated on this stuff back in '17 when Segwit went down, as I was new at that time, so if I'm
> > missing something please say so. But from my point of view, we can't treat all soft forks as equal.
> > Keagan
> > On Thu, Feb 18, 2021 at 7:43 AM Matt Corallo via bitcoin-dev <bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org
> > mailto:bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org> wrote:
> >
> >     We've had several softforks in Bitcoin which, through the course of their activation, had a several-block reorg. That
> >     should be indication enough that we need to very carefully consider activation to ensure we reduce the risk of that as
> >     much as absolutely possible. Again, while I think Taproot is a huge improvement and am looking forward to being able to
> >     use it, getting unlucky and hitting a 4-block reorg that happens to include a double-spend and some PR around an
> >     exchange losing millions would be worse than having Taproot is good.
> >
> >     Matt
> >
> >     On 2/18/21 09:26, Michael Folkson wrote:
> >      > Thanks for your response Matt. It is a fair challenge. There is always going to be an element of risk with soft
> >     forks,
> >      > all we can do is attempt to minimize that risk. I would argue that risk has been minimized for Taproot.
> >      >
> >      > You know (better than I do in fact) that Bitcoin (and layers built on top of it) greatly benefit from upgrades
> >     such as
> >      > Taproot. To say we shouldn't do Taproot or any future soft forks because there is a small but real risk of chain
> >     splits
> >      > I think is shortsighted. Indeed I think even if we collectively decided not to do any future soft fork upgrades ever
> >      > again on this mailing list that wouldn't stop soft fork attempts from other people in future.
> >      >
> >      > I don't think there is anything else we can do to minimize that risk for the Taproot soft fork at this point
> >     though I'm
> >      > open to ideas. To reiterate that risk will never be zero. I don't think I see Bitcoin as fragile as you seem to
> >     (though
> >      > admittedly you have a much better understanding than me of what happened in 2017).
> >      >
> >      > The likely scenario for the Taproot soft fork is LOT turns out to be entirely irrelevant and miners activate Taproot
> >      > before it becomes relevant. And even the unlikely worst case scenario would only cause short term disruption and
> >      > wouldn't kill Bitcoin long term.
> >      >
> >      > On Thu, Feb 18, 2021 at 2:01 PM Matt Corallo <lf-lists@mattcorallo.com <mailto:lf-lists@mattcorallo.com>
> >     <mailto:lf-lists@mattcorallo.com <mailto:lf-lists@mattcorallo.com>>> wrote:
> >      >
> >      >     If the eventual outcome is that different implementations (that have material *transaction processing* userbases,
> >      >     and I’m not sure to what extent that’s true with Knots) ship different consensus rules, we should stop here
> >     and not
> >      >     activate Taproot. Seriously.
> >      >
> >      >     Bitcoin is a consensus system. The absolute worst outcome at all possible is to have it fall out of consensus.
> >      >
> >      >     Matt
> >      >
> >      >>     On Feb 18, 2021, at 08:11, Michael Folkson via bitcoin-dev <bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org
> >     <mailto:bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org>
> >      >>     <mailto:bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org <mailto:bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org>>> wrote:
> >      >>
> >      >>     
> >      >>     Right, that is one option. Personally I would prefer a Bitcoin Core release sets LOT=false (based on what I have
> >      >>     heard from Bitcoin Core contributors) and a community effort releases a version with LOT=true. I don't think
> >     users
> >      >>     should be forced to choose something they may have no context on before they are allowed to use Bitcoin Core.
> >      >>
> >      >>     My current understanding is that roasbeef is planning to set LOT=false on btcd (an alternative protocol
> >      >>     implementation to Bitcoin Core) and Luke Dashjr hasn't yet decided on Bitcoin Knots.
> >      >>
> >      >>
> >      >>
> >      >>     On Thu, Feb 18, 2021 at 11:52 AM ZmnSCPxj <ZmnSCPxj@protonmail.com <mailto:ZmnSCPxj@protonmail.com>
> >     <mailto:ZmnSCPxj@protonmail.com <mailto:ZmnSCPxj@protonmail.com>>> wrote:
> >      >>
> >      >>         Good morning all,
> >      >>
> >      >>         > "An activation mechanism is a consensus change like any other change, can be contentious like any other
> >      >>         change, and we must resolve it like any other change. Otherwise we risk arriving at the darkest timeline."
> >      >>         >
> >      >>         > Who's we here?
> >      >>         >
> >      >>         > Release both and let the network decide.
> >      >>
> >      >>         A thing that could be done, without mandating either LOT=true or LOT=false, would be to have a release that
> >      >>         requires a `taprootlot=1` or `taprootlot=0` and refuses to start if the parameter is not set.
> >      >>
> >      >>         This assures everyone that neither choice is being forced on users, and instead what is being forced on
> >     users,
> >      >>         is for users to make that choice themselves.
> >      >>
> >      >>         Regards,
> >      >>         ZmnSCPxj
> >      >>
> >      >>         >
> >      >>         > On Thu, Feb 18, 2021 at 3:08 AM Michael Folkson via bitcoin-dev <bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org
> >     <mailto:bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org>
> >      >>         <mailto:bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org <mailto:bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org>>> wrote:
> >      >>         >
> >      >>         > > Thanks for your response Ariel. It would be useful if you responded to specific points I have made
> >     in the
> >      >>         mailing list post or at least quote these ephemeral "people" you speak of. I don't know if you're responding
> >      >>         to conversation on the IRC channel or on social media etc.
> >      >>         > >
> >      >>         > > > The argument comes from a naive assumption that users MUST upgrade to the choice that is submitted
> >     into
> >      >>         code. But in fact this isn't true and some voices in this discussion need to be more humble about what users
> >      >>         must or must not run.
> >      >>         > >
> >      >>         > > I personally have never made this assumption. Of course users aren't forced to run any particular
> >     software
> >      >>         version, quite the opposite. Defaults set in software versions matter though as many users won't change
> >     them.
> >      >>         > >
> >      >>         > > > Does no one realize that it is a very possible outcome that if LOT=true is released there may be
> >     only a
> >      >>         handful of people that begin running it while everyone else delays their upgrade (with the very good
> >     reason of
> >      >>         not getting involved in politics) and a year later those handful of people just become stuck at the
> >     moment of
> >      >>         MUST_SIGNAL, unable to mine new blocks?
> >      >>         > >
> >      >>         > > It is a possible outcome but the likely outcome is that miners activate Taproot before LOT is even
> >      >>         relevant. I think it is prudent to prepare for the unlikely but possible outcome that miners fail to
> >     activate
> >      >>         and hence have this discussion now rather than be unprepared for that eventuality. If LOT is set to
> >     false in a
> >      >>         software release there is the possibility (T2 in
> >      >> https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2021-February/018380.html
> >     <https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2021-February/018380.html>
> >      >>         <https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2021-February/018380.html
> >     <https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2021-February/018380.html>>) of individuals or a
> >      >>         proportion of the community changing LOT to true. In that sense setting LOT=false in a software release
> >      >>         appears to be no more safe than LOT=true.
> >      >>         > >
> >      >>         > > > The result: a wasted year of waiting and a minority of people who didn't want to be lenient with
> >     miners
> >      >>         by default.
> >      >>         > >
> >      >>         > > There is the (unlikely but possible) possibility of a wasted year if LOT is set to false and miners fail
> >      >>         to activate. I'm not convinced by this perception that LOT=true is antagonistic to miners. I actually
> >     think it
> >      >>         offers them clarity on what will happen over a year time period and removes the need for coordinated or
> >      >>         uncoordinated community UASF efforts on top of LOT=false.
> >      >>         > >
> >      >>         > > > An activation mechanism is a consensus change like any other change, can be contentious like any other
> >      >>         change, and we must resolve it like any other change. Otherwise we risk arriving at the darkest timeline.
> >      >>         > >
> >      >>         > > I don't know what you are recommending here to avoid "this darkest timeline". Open discussions have
> >      >>         occurred and are continuing and in my mailing list post that you responded to **I recommended we propose
> >      >>         LOT=false be set in protocol implementations such as Bitcoin Core**. I do think this apocalyptic language
> >      >>         isn't particularly helpful. In an open consensus system discussion is healthy, we should prepare for bad or
> >      >>         worst case scenarios in advance and doing so is not antagonistic or destructive. Mining pools have pledged
> >      >>         support for Taproot but we don't build secure systems based on pledges of support, we build them to minimize
> >      >>         trust in any human actors. We can be grateful that people like Alejandro have worked hard on
> >      >> taprootactivation.com <http://taprootactivation.com> <http://taprootactivation.com
> >     <http://taprootactivation.com>> (and this effort has informed the discussion) without
> >      >>         taking pledges of support as cast iron guarantees.
> >      >>         > >
> >      >>         > > TL;DR It sounds like you agree with my recommendation to set LOT=false in protocol implementations in my
> >      >>         email :)
> >      >>         > >
> >      >>         > > On Thu, Feb 18, 2021 at 5:43 AM Ariel Lorenzo-Luaces <arielluaces@gmail.com
> >     <mailto:arielluaces@gmail.com>
> >      >>         <mailto:arielluaces@gmail.com <mailto:arielluaces@gmail.com>>> wrote:
> >      >>         > >
> >      >>         > > > Something what strikes me about the conversation is the emotion surrounding the letters UASF.
> >      >>         > > > It appears as if people discuss UASF as if it's a massive tidal wave of support that is
> >     inevitable, like
> >      >>         we saw during segwit activation. But the actual definition is "any activation that is not a MASF".
> >      >>         > > > A UASF can consist of a single node, ten nodes, a thousand, half of all nodes, all business' nodes, or
> >      >>         even all the non mining nodes. On another dimension it can have zero mining support, 51% support, 49%
> >     support,
> >      >>         or any support right up against a miner activation threshold.
> >      >>         > > > Hell a UASF doesn't even need code or even a single node running as long as it exists as a possibility
> >      >>         in people's minds.
> >      >>         > > > The only thing a UASF doesn't have is miner support above an agreed activation threshold (some number
> >      >>         above %51).
> >      >>         > > > I say this because it strikes me when people say that they are for LOT=true with the logic that
> >     since a
> >      >>         UASF is guaranteed to happen then it's better to just make it default from the beginning. Words like
> >      >>         coordination and safety are sometimes sprinkled into the argument.
> >      >>         > > > The argument comes from a naive assumption that users MUST upgrade to the choice that is submitted
> >     into
> >      >>         code. But in fact this isn't true and some voices in this discussion need to be more humble about what users
> >      >>         must or must not run.
> >      >>         > > > Does no one realize that it is a very possible outcome that if LOT=true is released there may be
> >     only a
> >      >>         handful of people that begin running it while everyone else delays their upgrade (with the very good
> >     reason of
> >      >>         not getting involved in politics) and a year later those handful of people just become stuck at the
> >     moment of
> >      >>         MUST_SIGNAL, unable to mine new blocks? Or attracting a minority of miners, activating, and forking off
> >     into a
> >      >>         minority fork. Then a lot=false could be started that ends up activating the feature now that the stubborn
> >      >>         option has ran its course.
> >      >>         > > > The result: a wasted year of waiting and a minority of people who didn't want to be lenient with
> >     miners
> >      >>         by default. The chains could be called BitcoinLenient and BitcoinStubborn.
> >      >>         > > > How is that strictly safer or more coordinated?
> >      >>         > > > I may be in the minority, or maybe a silent majority, or maybe a majority that just hasn't considered
> >      >>         this as a choice but honestly if there is contention about whether we're going to be stubborn or lenient
> >     with
> >      >>         miners for Taproot and in the future then I prefer to just not activate anything at all. I'm fine for
> >     calling
> >      >>         bitcoin ossified, accepting that segwit is Bitcoin's last network upgrade. Taproot is amazing but no new
> >      >>         feature is worth a network split down the middle.
> >      >>         > > > Maybe in 10 or 20 years, when other blockchains implement features like Taproot and many more, we will
> >      >>         become envious enough to put aside our differences on how to behave towards miners and finally activate
> >     Taproot.
> >      >>         > > > An activation mechanism is a consensus change like any other change, can be contentious like any other
> >      >>         change, and we must resolve it like any other change. Otherwise we risk arriving at the darkest timeline.
> >      >>         > > > Cheers
> >      >>         > > > Ariel Lorenzo-Luaces
> >      >>         > > > On Feb 17, 2021, at 7:05 AM, Michael Folkson via bitcoin-dev
> >     <bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org <mailto:bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org>
> >      >>         <mailto:bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org <mailto:bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org>>> wrote:
> >      >>         > > >
> >      >>         > > > > Yesterday (February 16th) we held a second meeting on Taproot
> >      >>         > > > > activation on IRC which again was open to all. Despite what appeared
> >      >>         > > > > to be majority support for LOT=false over LOT=true in the first
> >      >>         > > > > meeting I (and others) thought the arguments had not been explored in
> >      >>         > > > > depth and that we should have a follow up meeting almost entirely
> >      >>         > > > > focused on whether LOT (lockinontimeout) should be set to true or
> >      >>         > > > > false.
> >      >>         > > > >
> >      >>         > > > > The meeting was announced here:
> >      >>         > > > > https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2021-February/018380.html
> >     <https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2021-February/018380.html>
> >      >>         <https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2021-February/018380.html
> >     <https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2021-February/018380.html>>
> >      >>         > > > >
> >      >>         > > > > In that mailing list post I outlined the arguments for LOT=true (T1 to
> >      >>         > > > > T6) and arguments for LOT=false (F1 to F6) in their strongest form I
> >      >>         > > > > could. David Harding responded with an additional argument for
> >      >>         > > > > LOT=false (F7) here:
> >      >>         > > > > https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2021-February/018415.html
> >     <https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2021-February/018415.html>
> >      >>         <https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2021-February/018415.html
> >     <https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2021-February/018415.html>>
> >      >>         > > > >
> >      >>         > > > > These meetings are very challenging given they are open to all, you
> >      >>         > > > > don’t know who will attend and you don’t know most people’s views in
> >      >>         > > > > advance. I tried to give time for both the LOT=true arguments and the
> >      >>         > > > > LOT=false arguments to be discussed as I knew there was support for
> >      >>         > > > > both. We only tried evaluating which had more support and which had
> >      >>         > > > > more strong opposition towards the end of the meeting.
> >      >>         > > > >
> >      >>         > > > > The conversation log is here:
> >      >>         > > > > http://gnusha.org/taproot-activation/2021-02-16.log
> >     <http://gnusha.org/taproot-activation/2021-02-16.log> <http://gnusha.org/taproot-activation/2021-02-16.log
> >     <http://gnusha.org/taproot-activation/2021-02-16.log>>
> >      >>         > > > >
> >      >>         > > > > (If you are so inclined you can watch a video of the meeting here.
> >      >>         > > > > Thanks to the YouTube account “Bitcoin” for setting up the livestream:
> >      >>         > > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vpl5q1ovMLM <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vpl5q1ovMLM>
> >     <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vpl5q1ovMLM <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vpl5q1ovMLM>>)
> >      >>         > > > >
> >      >>         > > > > A summary of the meeting was provided by Luke Dashjr on Mastodon here:
> >      >>         > > > > https://bitcoinhackers.org/@lukedashjr/105742918779234566
> >     <https://bitcoinhackers.org/@lukedashjr/105742918779234566>
> >      >>         <https://bitcoinhackers.org/@lukedashjr/105742918779234566
> >     <https://bitcoinhackers.org/@lukedashjr/105742918779234566>>
> >      >>         > > > >
> >      >>         > > > > Today's #Bitcoin #Taproot meeting was IMO largely unproductive, but we
> >      >>         > > > > did manage to come to consensus on everything but LockinOnTimeout.
> >      >>         > > > >
> >      >>         > > > > Activation height range: 693504-745920
> >      >>         > > > >
> >      >>         > > > > MASF threshold: 1815/2016 blocks (90%)
> >      >>         > > > >
> >      >>         > > > > Keep in mind only ~100 people showed for the meetings, hardly
> >      >>         > > > > representative of the entire community.
> >      >>         > > > >
> >      >>         > > > > So, these details remain JUST a proposal for now.
> >      >>         > > > >
> >      >>         > > > > It seems inevitable that there won't be consensus on LOT.
> >      >>         > > > >
> >      >>         > > > > Everyone will have to choose for himself. :/
> >      >>         > > > >
> >      >>         > > > > Personally I agree with most of this. I agree that there wasn’t
> >      >>         > > > > overwhelming consensus for either LOT=true or LOT=false. However, from
> >      >>         > > > > my perspective there was clearly more strong opposition (what would
> >      >>         > > > > usually be deemed a NACK in Bitcoin Core review terminology) from
> >      >>         > > > > Bitcoin Core contributors, Lightning developers and other community
> >      >>         > > > > members against LOT=true than there was for LOT=false. Andrew Chow
> >      >>         > > > > tried to summarize views from the meeting in this analysis:
> >      >>         > > > > https://gist.github.com/achow101/3e179501290abb7049de198d46894c7c
> >     <https://gist.github.com/achow101/3e179501290abb7049de198d46894c7c>
> >      >>         <https://gist.github.com/achow101/3e179501290abb7049de198d46894c7c
> >     <https://gist.github.com/achow101/3e179501290abb7049de198d46894c7c>>
> >      >>         > > > >
> >      >>         > > > > I am also aware of other current and previous Bitcoin Core
> >      >>         > > > > contributors and Lightning developers who didn’t attend the meeting in
> >      >>         > > > > person who are opposed to LOT=true. I don’t want to put them in the
> >      >>         > > > > spotlight for no reason but if you go through the conversation logs of
> >      >>         > > > > not only the meeting but the weeks of discussion prior to this meeting
> >      >>         > > > > you will see their views evaluated on the ##taproot-activation
> >      >>         > > > > channel. In addition, on taprootactivation.com <http://taprootactivation.com>
> >     <http://taprootactivation.com <http://taprootactivation.com>> some mining pools
> >      >>         > > > > expressed a preference for lot=false though I don’t know how strong
> >      >>         > > > > that preference was.
> >      >>         > > > >
> >      >>         > > > > I am only one voice but it is my current assessment that if we are to
> >      >>         > > > > attempt to finalize Taproot activation parameters and propose them to
> >      >>         > > > > the community at this time our only option is to propose LOT=false.
> >      >>         > > > > Any further delay appears to me counterproductive in our collective
> >      >>         > > > > aim to get the Taproot soft fork activated as early as possible.
> >      >>         > > > >
> >      >>         > > > > Obviously others are free to disagree with that assessment and
> >      >>         > > > > continue discussions but personally I will be attempting to avoid
> >      >>         > > > > those discussions unless prominent new information comes to light or
> >      >>         > > > > various specific individuals change their minds.
> >      >>         > > > >
> >      >>         > > > > Next week we are planning a code review of the Bitcoin Core PR #19573
> >      >>         > > > > which was initially delayed because of this LOT discussion. As I’ve
> >      >>         > > > > said previously that will be loosely following the format of the
> >      >>         > > > > Bitcoin Core PR review club and will be lower level and more
> >      >>         > > > > technical. That is planned for Tuesday February 23rd at 19:00 UTC on
> >      >>         > > > > the IRC channel ##taproot-activation.
> >      >>         > > > >
> >      >>         > > > > Thanks to the meeting participants (and those who joined the
> >      >>         > > > > discussion on the channel prior and post the meeting) for engaging
> >      >>         > > > > productively and in good faith.
> >      >>         > >
> >      >>         > > --
> >      >>         > > Michael Folkson
> >      >>         > > Email: michaelfolkson@gmail.com <mailto:michaelfolkson@gmail.com> <mailto:michaelfolkson@gmail.com
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