From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from smtp3.osuosl.org (smtp3.osuosl.org [IPv6:2605:bc80:3010::136]) by lists.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6E5BC002D for ; Fri, 27 Jan 2023 16:22:55 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp3.osuosl.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84822612C0 for ; Fri, 27 Jan 2023 16:22:55 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Filter: OpenDKIM Filter v2.11.0 smtp3.osuosl.org 84822612C0 X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at osuosl.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.901 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.901 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, NICE_REPLY_A=-0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from smtp3.osuosl.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp3.osuosl.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 3ieWWaTzB6tE for ; Fri, 27 Jan 2023 16:22:54 +0000 (UTC) X-Greylist: delayed 00:29:59 by SQLgrey-1.8.0 DKIM-Filter: OpenDKIM Filter v2.11.0 smtp3.osuosl.org DDF8860B1B Received: from 3.mo552.mail-out.ovh.net (3.mo552.mail-out.ovh.net [178.33.254.192]) by smtp3.osuosl.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DDF8860B1B for ; Fri, 27 Jan 2023 16:22:53 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mxplan6.mail.ovh.net (unknown [10.108.16.193]) by mo552.mail-out.ovh.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9F40A29B0E; Fri, 27 Jan 2023 15:43:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: from peersm.com (37.59.142.108) by DAG6EX2.mxp6.local (172.16.2.52) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_2, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_128_GCM_SHA256) id 15.1.2507.17; Fri, 27 Jan 2023 16:43:43 +0100 Authentication-Results: garm.ovh; auth=pass (GARM-108S00299aa4309-0001-4170-b5d3-0afe3da003b4, DA236FF0B6BD416D54A909F942041FB942067809) smtp.auth=aymeric@peersm.com X-OVh-ClientIp: 92.184.102.76 To: Andrew Poelstra , Bitcoin Protocol Discussion , Robert Dickinson References: From: Aymeric Vitte Message-ID: <3e3acd36-44d7-6823-4eb6-69affe111204@peersm.com> Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2023 16:43:46 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Originating-IP: [37.59.142.108] X-ClientProxiedBy: DAG2EX1.mxp6.local (172.16.2.11) To DAG6EX2.mxp6.local (172.16.2.52) X-Ovh-Tracer-GUID: a125761d-07b2-4533-91c4-d2a14f7d6d96 X-Ovh-Tracer-Id: 17379390964935123933 X-VR-SPAMSTATE: OK X-VR-SPAMSCORE: -100 X-VR-SPAMCAUSE: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgedvhedruddviedgjeekucetufdoteggodetrfdotffvucfrrhhofhhilhgvmecuqfggjfdpvefjgfevmfevgfenuceurghilhhouhhtmecuhedttdenucesvcftvggtihhpihgvnhhtshculddquddttddmnecujfgurhepuffvfhfhkffffgggjggtgfhisehtqhertddtfeehnecuhfhrohhmpeethihmvghrihgtucggihhtthgvuceorgihmhgvrhhitgesphgvvghrshhmrdgtohhmqeenucggtffrrghtthgvrhhnpedvledugeekhedtheekuddvgffhkedtgedtueejgeffveeghfdvvdeffeeltdfftdenucffohhmrghinhepphgvvghrshhmrdgtohhmpdhlihhnkhgvughinhdrtghomhdpghhithhhuhgsrdgtohhmnecukfhppeduvdejrddtrddtrddupdefjedrheelrddugedvrddutdeknecuvehluhhsthgvrhfuihiivgeptdenucfrrghrrghmpehinhgvthepuddvjedrtddrtddruddpmhgrihhlfhhrohhmpeeorgihmhgvrhhitgesphgvvghrshhmrdgtohhmqedpnhgspghrtghpthhtohepuddprhgtphhtthhopehrohgsvghrthdrlhgvvgdrughitghkihhnshhonhesghhmrghilhdrtghomhdpsghithgtohhinhdquggvvheslhhishhtshdrlhhinhhugihfohhunhgurghtihhonhdrohhrghdprghpohgvlhhsthhrrgesfihpshhofhhtfigrrhgvrdhnvghtpdfovfetjfhoshhtpehmohehhedvpdhmohguvgepshhmthhpohhuth X-Mailman-Approved-At: Fri, 27 Jan 2023 16:24:35 +0000 Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] Ordinal Inscription Size Limits X-BeenThere: bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Bitcoin Protocol Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2023 16:22:55 -0000 Le 27/01/2023 =E0 14:21, Andrew Poelstra via bitcoin-dev a =E9crit : > if people were storing NFTs and other crap on the > chain, then the Bitcoin fee market would become entangled with random > pump&dump markets So you mean that Bitcoin is out for NFTs, Metaverse and "web3"? LN is good but I don't think it can really adapt to everything, what I proposed yesterday looks complementary I clearly dislike the current NFTs existing systems, and to make it short NFTs as a whole until recently, it depends on what people mean by "NFT", and I did dislike any solution based on OP_RETURN (shxtty stuff flooding bitcoin with stupid proofs of nothing) BUT I changed my mind, one can say that I am contradicting myself everywhere (links in the proposals), but no, explaining why in the propos= als Note that in my proposals you don't need to "mint" the NFTs (using a third party but not a stupid ethereum/bitcoin like super sidechain) and that you can reference millions of them in one transaction (low value NFTs like loyalty programms, discount coupons) in that case of course the low value NFTs are centralized That's the future, Bitcoin being out of this does not look plausible, currently NOBODY envisions bitcoin or LN for a web3 system, so people here might destroy my proposals, then please do, but I find them quite good compared to whatever exist =20 --=20 Sophia-Antipolis, France CV: https://www.peersm.com/CVAV.pdf LinkedIn: https://fr.linkedin.com/in/aymeric-vitte-05855b26 GitHub : https://www.github.com/Ayms A Universal Coin Swap system based on Bitcoin: https://gist.github.com/Ay= ms/029125db2583e1cf9c3209769eb2cdd7 A bitcoin NFT system: https://gist.github.com/Ayms/01dbfebf219965054b4a3b= eed1bfeba7 Move your coins by yourself (browser version): https://peersm.com/wallet Bitcoin transactions made simple: https://github.com/Ayms/bitcoin-transac= tions torrent-live: https://github.com/Ayms/torrent-live node-Tor : https://www.github.com/Ayms/node-Tor Anti-spies and private torrents, dynamic blocklist: http://torrent-live.p= eersm.com Peersm : http://www.peersm.com