From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from sog-mx-1.v43.ch3.sourceforge.com ([172.29.43.191] helo=mx.sourceforge.net) by sfs-ml-4.v29.ch3.sourceforge.com with esmtp (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1Rn5IU-0000GX-PD for bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net; Tue, 17 Jan 2012 09:25:42 +0000 X-ACL-Warn: Received: from sulfur.webpack.hosteurope.de ([217.115.142.104]) by sog-mx-1.v43.ch3.sourceforge.com with esmtp (Exim 4.76) id 1Rn5IO-0001HT-FV for bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net; Tue, 17 Jan 2012 09:25:42 +0000 Received: from 84-72-69-153.dclient.hispeed.ch ([84.72.69.153] helo=[192.168.0.21]); authenticated by sulfur.webpack.hosteurope.de running ExIM with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) id 1Rn5II-0007gE-B3; Tue, 17 Jan 2012 10:25:30 +0100 Message-ID: <4F153E87.4030203@justmoon.de> Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2012 10:25:27 +0100 From: Stefan Thomas User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:8.0) Gecko/20111105 Thunderbird/8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net References: <1326665394.7032.YahooMailNeo@web121002.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-bounce-key: webpack.hosteurope.de;moon@justmoon.de;1326792336;9c7648f7; X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam Filtering performed by mx.sourceforge.net. See http://spamassassin.org/tag/ for more details. 0.5 AWL AWL: From: address is in the auto white-list X-Headers-End: 1Rn5IO-0001HT-FV Subject: Re: [Bitcoin-development] bitcoin.org SOPA/PIPA blackout X-BeenThere: bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2012 09:25:42 -0000 I'm firmly against a *blackout* - it would harm users' trust in Bitcoin since people looking to download the client or to get information about Bitcoin may end up in the wrong place. I constantly have to delete YouTube spam advertising this or that "miracle GPU miner" or "secure Bitcoin client", which of course are all just the same trojan. As for making a statement or putting up a banner - that's ok with me. On 1/17/2012 7:15 AM, Gregory Maxwell wrote: > On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 9:37 PM, Kyle Henderson wrote: >> For those that believe one particularly noisy country in the North America >> region with a policy called SOPA or PIPA directly affects Bitcoin - can you >> point out precisely where it does so? > In addition to the concerns about internet freedom and domain name > system filtering which are against the interests of bitcoin users and > the bitcoin system generally, SOPA contains new requirements for > payment networks which may adversely impact Bitcoin services > businesses and limit their ability to do business in the US and other > places where similar legislation is adopted. There are many millions > of potential Bitcoin users in the US, so US law matters for our > ecosystem even though far from all Bitcoin users are in the US > themselves. > > (21) PAYMENT NETWORK PROVIDER- > (A) IN GENERAL- The term `payment network provider' means > an entity that directly or indirectly provides the proprietary > services, infrastructure, and software to effect or facilitate a > debit, credit, or other payment transaction. > [...] > (i) PREVENTING AFFILIATION- A payment network provider > shall take technically feasible and reasonable measures, as > expeditiously as possible, but in any case within 5 days after being > served with a copy of the order, or within such time as the court may > order, designed to prevent, prohibit, or suspend its service from > completing payment transactions involving customers located within the > United States or subject to the jurisdiction of the United States and > the payment account-- > (I) which is used by the foreign infringing site, > or portion thereof, that is subject to the order; and > (II) through which the payment network provider > would complete such payment transactions. > > If you really want to go for the more extreme interpretation, it's not > hard to conclude that the Bitcoin system itself is a "payment network" > by the definition under the act, and if so in theory the AG's office > could— without due process— order miners and mining pools located in > the US to, for example, not process transactions containing the well > known addresses of targeted infringing sites (e.g. The Wikileaks > donation address). Though I personally think this is far out. > > I also think that other people will covered the SOPA/PIPA awareness > (e.g. Wikipedia is shutting down for 24 hours) more than we could > possibly do with our own resources. > > But this attitude of it being someone elses problem? I think thats > nonsense. We live in _one world_, one world which is getting smaller > every day. The value of a network—or of a economy— comes from the > number of potential connections it can make. One reason Bitcoin is > good is because it deconstructs some of the old barriers and anything > that risks imposing new ones is a threat to us all. > > So, don't participate because bitcoin.org's help would be so small as > to be pointless— sure. But because it doesn't matter? hardly. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Keep Your Developer Skills Current with LearnDevNow! > The most comprehensive online learning library for Microsoft developers > is just $99.99! 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