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[69.59.18.99]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id e9e14a558f8ab-3de01a09651si574415ab.4.2025.06.13.05.36.51 for (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Fri, 13 Jun 2025 05:36:51 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of lf-lists@mattcorallo.com designates 69.59.18.99 as permitted sender) client-ip=69.59.18.99; X-DKIM-Note: Keys used to sign are likely public at X-DKIM-Note: https://as397444.net/dkim/mattcorallo.com and X-DKIM-Note: https://as397444.net/dkim/clients.mail.as397444.net X-DKIM-Note: For more info, see https://as397444.net/dkim/ Received: by mail.as397444.net with esmtpsa (TLS1.3) (Exim) (envelope-from ) id 1uQ3eK-000cjL-2n; Fri, 13 Jun 2025 12:36:49 +0000 Message-ID: <4f99a0b9-a8d6-49dd-adc5-b7d8d587b820@mattcorallo.com> Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2025 08:36:47 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [bitcoindev] CTV + CSFS: a letter To: Jameson Lopp Cc: Andrew Poelstra , Bitcoin Development Mailing List References: <46349b6c-ccec-4378-8721-aecec22752e7@mattcorallo.com> <8d158e3d-b3cc-44b6-b71b-ab2e733c047c@mattcorallo.com> Content-Language: en-US From: Matt Corallo In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Original-Sender: lf-lists@mattcorallo.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; dkim=pass header.i=@mattcorallo.com header.s=1749816062 header.b=i4wPXdxM; dkim=pass header.i=@clients.mail.as397444.net header.s=1749816065 header.b=hsjARKfQ; spf=pass (google.com: domain of lf-lists@mattcorallo.com designates 69.59.18.99 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=lf-lists@mattcorallo.com; dmarc=pass (p=NONE sp=REJECT dis=NONE) header.from=mattcorallo.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list bitcoindev@googlegroups.com; contact bitcoindev+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 786775582512 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , X-Spam-Score: -0.8 (/) Thanks Jameson. I think this is a much more valuable contribution to encouraging developers= to work on covenants=20 than some other parts of this thread. Is there a specific protocol utilizing covenants that you wish to implement= at Casa (I assume Vaults=20 maybe, but can you sketch the high-level setup and considerations)? Thanks, Matt On 6/13/25 7:08 AM, Jameson Lopp wrote: > > Unlike a generic "We Want Things" sign-on letter,=C2=A0individual mess= ages indicating desire to=20 > utilize features is way more compelling. >=20 > Then I submit my essay from 2 years ago (https://blog.casa.io/why-bitcoin= -needs-covenants/ blog.casa.io/why-bitcoin-needs-covenants/>) and will quote myself: >=20 > "There are clearly a LOT of use cases that could potentially be unlocked = with the right kind of=20 > covenant implementation. Personally, having spent 8 years working on high= security multi-signature=20 > wallets, I'm most interested in vaults. I believe the value they offer is= quite straightforward and=20 > is applicable to every single self-custody bitcoin user, regardless of wh= at type of wallet they are=20 > running." >=20 > - Jameson >=20 > On Thu, Jun 12, 2025 at 6:54=E2=80=AFPM Matt Corallo lists@mattcorallo.com>> wrote: >=20 > To be fair to James, in my (luckily rather brief) experience with Bit= coin-consensus-letter-writing, > its nearly impossible to forge a statement that everyone agrees to th= at is consistently interpreted. >=20 > Matt >=20 > On 6/12/25 3:51 PM, Andrew Poelstra wrote: > > Le Thu, Jun 12, 2025 at 02:38:13PM -0400, James O'Beirne a =C3=A9c= rit : > >> > >> As the person who coordinated the letter, I can say that this is = not an > >> accurate characterization of the signers' intent. Everyone who si= gned > >> explicitly wants to see the imminent review, integration, and act= ivation > >> planning for CTV+CSFS specifically. The letter is intentionally c= oncise to > >> make sure there are no misunderstandings about that. > >> > >> I spoke to each person on the original list of signatories who ei= ther did > >> (or didn't) sign and this was made very clear. Some people didn't= sign as a > >> result of what the letter says. > >> > > > > The letter asks Core to "prioritize the review and integration" on= an > > accelerated timeline, and that this will "allow" for "activation p= lanning". > > > > Early drafts of the letter did ask for actual integration and even > > activation, but I did not sign any of those early drafts. It was n= ot > > until the language was weakened to be about priorities and plannin= g (and > > to be a "respectful ask" rather some sort of demand) that I signed= on. > > > > > > The letter is concise but unfortunately I think Matt is correct th= at it > > offers a broad range of interpretations, even among the signers. > > > > >=20 > --=20 > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Gr= oups "Bitcoin Development > Mailing List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, sen= d an email to > bitcoindev+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com . > To view this discussion visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/bitco= indev/f8b37a59-0897-40df- > a08e-7812c806a716%40mattcorallo.com f8b37a59-0897-40df-a08e-7812c806a716%40mattcorallo.com>. >=20 --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= Bitcoin Development Mailing List" group. 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