Hi all, > If you have an on-chain donation address on the OTS website (?), I'll make a > $100 donation now, it's a nice tool. And for the justice transaction...well > for some scenarios you can use the latest valid commitment state to pin no risk > of being slashed by a justice transaction. Been late on demonstrating a real-world pinning attack against a production lightning node. But I swear it's real sport having to jungle with more than one category of exploit to soundly test. OTS is a great project. I'll make a donation to it of 1 gram of gold or the equivalent in fiats or satoshis at settlement (as $100 sounds to be almost equal to 1 gram of gold, i.e $84.66 those days) for each month late on doing a demonstrationg of real-world pinning attack, as a lateness penalty. Beyond it's a great tool to make notarization of any kind of digital info, inside the chain where for every block there are probably two-digit terawatt hours burnt, which starts to be a f*cking lot of hydro power plants. More generally, I called since late 2020 at least for making real-world demonstration of pinning attacks against lightning nodes, among others types of cross-layers attacks, At the exception of 2 ligthning protocol devs if my memory is correct, all the others ones since then have shunned away from participating in a real-world demo, and Peter Todd was the first one to consent and make available a lightning node available for real-world demos in a "black box" fashion (indeed, it's far easier to execute exploits on testing envs fully set by the researcher...). In the future, I believe it can only be great if bitcoin security exploits are gauged more or less on the lines of artifacts available, evaluated and reproduced, as done usually by major infosec confs. Best, Antoine ots hash: 9d227f7832154c4c8bce9fce260ac84537489c1bc8c4b8c2ba990ceb197c84fc Le mardi 3 septembre 2024 à 21:13:46 UTC+1, Antoine Riard a écrit : > > That also happens to be my Alice OpenTimestamps calendar, in production, > so > > please don't do anything you expect to be CPU or RAM intensive. But if > you > > accidentally take down the server, not the end of the world: OTS is a > very > > redundant protocol and one calendar going down for a few hours is > unlikely to > > do any harm. > > > > It has about $400 of outgoing capacity at the moment, and $2000 inbound. > It > > gets hardly any donations at the moment, so if you manage to knock LND > offline > > that's no big deal. > > > > That's not my money - it's donations to the OTS calendars that I have no > right > > to spend - so I'll ask you to pay for any expenses incurred by it during > > testing, and make a $100 net donation when you're done testing to make it > > worthwhile for the OTS community. If you manage to lose more than that on > > justice transactions, I'll consider that a donation. :) > > Many thanks Peter for that. > > No worries, I won't play with CPU or RAM, it's just all the > transaction-relay > and mempool logic that one can interfere with. I'll make you whole of the > $2400 > if the LND node goes down too hard, though I'm just looking for a node > running > on mainnet, for a pinning the attacker has two open to channels and > re-balance > the liquidity at its advantage a bit. I'll provide the liquidity by myself. > > If you have an on-chain donation address on the OTS website (?), I'll make > a > $100 donation now, it's a nice tool. And for the justice transaction...well > for some scenarios you can use the latest valid commitment state to pin no > risk > of being slashed by a justice transaction. > > Best, > Antoine > ots hash: 19d9b61ed5238e2922205a0a0194e0830b260a691f45b4189b1d145f72c9e031 > > Le mar. 3 sept. 2024 à 13:58, Peter Todd a écrit : > >> On Tue, Aug 27, 2024 at 02:10:15PM -0700, Antoine Riard wrote: >> > My utmost pleasure to demonstrate some pinning attacks on nodes under >> > real-world conditions. >> >> Antoine Riard: until Oct 1st, you have permission to test your attacks >> against >> my Lightning node running at: >> >> 023345274dd80a01c0e80ec4892818878...@alice.opentimestamps.org:9735 >> >> >> That also happens to be my Alice OpenTimestamps calendar, in production, >> so >> please don't do anything you expect to be CPU or RAM intensive. But if you >> accidentally take down the server, not the end of the world: OTS is a very >> redundant protocol and one calendar going down for a few hours is >> unlikely to >> do any harm. >> >> It has about $400 of outgoing capacity at the moment, and $2000 inbound. >> It >> gets hardly any donations at the moment, so if you manage to knock LND >> offline >> that's no big deal. >> >> That's not my money - it's donations to the OTS calendars that I have no >> right >> to spend - so I'll ask you to pay for any expenses incurred by it during >> testing, and make a $100 net donation when you're done testing to make it >> worthwhile for the OTS community. If you manage to lose more than that on >> justice transactions, I'll consider that a donation. :) >> >> -- >> https://petertodd.org 'peter'[:-1]@petertodd.org >> > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Bitcoin Development Mailing List" group. 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