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[4.59.160.2]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id h12sm24959838qge.0.2014.02.10.10.45.59 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Mon, 10 Feb 2014 10:45:59 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <52F91E66.6060305@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2014 13:45:58 -0500 From: Jameson Lopp User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net References: <20140210144003.2BDCCDDAEFC@quidecco.de> <20140210163055.GJ3180@nl.grid.coop> <20140210182506.GM3180@nl.grid.coop> In-Reply-To: <20140210182506.GM3180@nl.grid.coop> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: -1.6 (-) X-Spam-Report: Spam Filtering performed by mx.sourceforge.net. See http://spamassassin.org/tag/ for more details. -1.5 SPF_CHECK_PASS SPF reports sender host as permitted sender for sender-domain 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (jameson.lopp[at]gmail.com) -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record -0.1 DKIM_VALID_AU Message has a valid DKIM or DK signature from author's domain 0.1 DKIM_SIGNED Message has a DKIM or DK signature, not necessarily valid -0.1 DKIM_VALID Message has at least one valid DKIM or DK signature X-Headers-End: 1WCvrp-00019B-Js Subject: Re: [Bitcoin-development] MtGox blames bitcoin X-BeenThere: bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2014 18:46:06 -0000 You have plenty of good points, but they are not relevant to this mailing list. I suggest you take them elsewhere. -- Jameson Lopp Software Engineer Bronto Software, Inc On 02/10/2014 01:25 PM, Troy Benjegerdes wrote: > On Mon, Feb 10, 2014 at 08:45:03AM -0800, Gregory Maxwell wrote: >> On Mon, Feb 10, 2014 at 8:30 AM, Troy Benjegerdes wrote: >>> Name me one single person with commit access to the bitcoin github repository >>> who is *independent* of any venture capital or other 'investment' connections. >> >> I am, unless you count the fact that I own some Bitcoin and some >> mining hardware as "'investment' connections" (and that case your >> comments are worthless). >> >> (By not naming anyone else I don't mean to imply there are no others, >> but I don't want to speak for anyone else. Nor would I necessarily >> expect the other part(ies|y) to step forward, since this mostly >> appears to be an invitation to step up and be attacked.) > > Thank you. > > I also appreciate your commentary[1], and willingness to list your investment > position. What I'm concerned about are people who have signed non-disclosure > agreements or who's salary/equity/whatever depend on people who are experts > at manipulating markets to take naive investors money. > > Independent is also a state of mind as much as it is about financial connections. > > What pisses me off here is that a huge amount of wealth just changed hands based > on MtGox's press release, and it stinks of insider trading. I still maintain the > best outcome would be for MtGox to AGPLv3 release their code, and then those of > us that understand it would be able to have a public technical discussion about > how to fix it, and MtGox would still maintain their intellectual property > ownership position. > > This, however, cuts off a significant revenue stream for people who take money > making market bets 5 minutes before the information goes public, so I expect > the likelyhood of such an outbreak of sanity is quite low. > > [1] http://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/2014/02/10/mt-gox-blames-bitcoin-core-developer-greg-maxwell-responds/ > > > DISCLAIMER: I have a significant emotional investment in copyleft/viral copyright > development models, and I expect to take a lot of money charging people to write > code I give away for free. 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