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[84.75.251.165]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id s46sm13238776ees.3.2014.03.28.11.19.05 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Fri, 28 Mar 2014 11:19:05 -0700 (PDT) Sender: Mike Hearn Message-ID: <5335BD17.6050408@plan99.net> Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2014 19:19:03 +0100 From: Mike Hearn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.9; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net References: In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 1.6 Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1; boundary="------------ms060806000805030607050108" X-Spam-Score: -1.5 (-) X-Spam-Report: Spam Filtering performed by mx.sourceforge.net. See http://spamassassin.org/tag/ for more details. -1.5 SPF_CHECK_PASS SPF reports sender host as permitted sender for sender-domain 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (mh.in.england[at]gmail.com) -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.1 DKIM_SIGNED Message has a DKIM or DK signature, not necessarily valid -0.1 DKIM_VALID Message has at least one valid DKIM or DK signature X-Headers-End: 1WTbN3-0002i0-KH Subject: Re: [Bitcoin-development] BIP 70 refund field X-BeenThere: bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: mike@plan99.net List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2014 18:19:15 -0000 This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. --------------ms060806000805030607050108 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 28/03/2014 17:59, Andreas Schildbach wrote: > Ok, why don't fix this in the spec for now, by defining a fixed expiry > time. In the EU, most products are covered by a 2 years warranty, so it= > seems appropriate to pick 2.5 years (30 months) -- allowing for some > time to ship the product back and forth. Yeah I was thinking something like that on the walk home. But 2 years is a long time. Do we have enough RAM for that? Plus warranties usually result in the defective goods being replaced rather than a monetary refund, right? But adjusting the spec so there's a fixed time limit, and allowing a future version of the protocol to make it configurable, does indeed feel like the right way to go. --------------ms060806000805030607050108 Content-Type: application/pkcs7-signature; name="smime.p7s" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="smime.p7s" Content-Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature MIAGCSqGSIb3DQEHAqCAMIACAQExCzAJBgUrDgMCGgUAMIAGCSqGSIb3DQEHAQAAoIITYzCC BjYwggUeoAMCAQICAwZyHzANBgkqhkiG9w0BAQUFADCBjDELMAkGA1UEBhMCSUwxFjAUBgNV BAoTDVN0YXJ0Q29tIEx0ZC4xKzApBgNVBAsTIlNlY3VyZSBEaWdpdGFsIENlcnRpZmljYXRl IFNpZ25pbmcxODA2BgNVBAMTL1N0YXJ0Q29tIENsYXNzIDEgUHJpbWFyeSBJbnRlcm1lZGlh dGUgQ2xpZW50IENBMB4XDTEzMDQyMTAxMTQ1NFoXDTE0MDQyMjEzMjIzM1owVTEZMBcGA1UE DRMQa2lMZ1R2Y1FkWWNCMkpXUDEYMBYGA1UEAwwPbWlrZUBwbGFuOTkubmV0MR4wHAYJKoZI hvcNAQkBFg9taWtlQHBsYW45OS5uZXQwggEiMA0GCSqGSIb3DQEBAQUAA4IBDwAwggEKAoIB AQDS3hjsiRaqv4xER7PvF/wsHGfjUbPNFHWGTk25UGhOfphCyzQpy/ueRFsn63vM1FR13EXZ 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