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From: Alan Reiner <etotheipi@gmail.com>
To: bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net
Subject: Re: [Bitcoin-development] "bits": Unit of account
Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2014 11:50:55 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <5353ECDF.6090903@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <DFFB1B2C-F10B-4CF7-9D01-F6A27F9FA229@bitsofproof.com>

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I've been a staunch supporter of "microbitcoin" and would like to do
anything I can to make sure that we jump directly to it if we're going
to promote changing the default units.  And I'm happy to integrate it
into Armory as a default (with appropriate explanations and
settings/options).  I'm not so convinced about the "bits" name though --
I do like it, but I do also think that word is too overloaded.  Though,
I think we could get away with it. 

(Sadly, I still use "microbes" occasionally (as in *microb*itcoin) when
I'm talking to coworkers, because it slips off the tongue and is
actually a good combination of brevity and self-explanatory -- it just
doesn't instill the right visuals...)

We started integrating alternative units into Armory.  But, of course,
there were a few more loose ends than I expected, which will require
some work.   We want to put it in but not necessarily change the default
right away.  I'd /prefer/ we get some commitments from some other wallet
developers, so we can make a unified push for it.  I'm happy to lead
that and make it default as long as I'm not the only one in the world
doing it.

-Alan



On 04/20/2014 11:05 AM, Tamas Blummer wrote:
> Here is an earlier reference to bits:
>
> https://www.mail-archive.com/bitcoin-development%40lists.sourceforge.net/msg04248.html
> <https://www.mail-archive.com/bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net/msg04248.html>
>
> I forgot that Alan Reiner was also supporting a unit equals to bits :
>
> https://www.mail-archive.com/bitcoin-development%40lists.sourceforge.net/msg04264.html
> <https://www.mail-archive.com/bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net/msg04264.html>
>
> and here the earlier going back to March 2013 and a poll at that time
> pushing for XBT being 1 bit
>
> https://www.mail-archive.com/bitcoin-development%40lists.sourceforge.net/msg04256.html
> <https://www.mail-archive.com/bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net/msg04256.html>
>
> Regards,
>
> Tamas Blummer
> http://bitsofproof.com
>
> On 20.04.2014, at 16:53, Pieter Wuille <pieter.wuille@gmail.com
> <mailto:pieter.wuille@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>> I told him specifically to bring it here (on a pull request for
>> Bitcoin Core), as there is no point in making such convention changes
>> to just one client.
>>
>> I wasn't aware of any discussion about the "bits" proposal here before.
>>
>> On Sun, Apr 20, 2014 at 4:28 PM, Tamas Blummer <tamas@bitsofproof.com
>> <mailto:tamas@bitsofproof.com>> wrote:
>>> People on this list are mostly engineers who have no problem dealing
>>> with
>>> magnitudes and have rather limited empathy for people who have a problem
>>> with them.
>>> They also tend to think, that because they invented money 2.0 they
>>> would not
>>> need to care of finance's or people's current customs.
>>>
>>> The importance of their decisions in these questions will fade as people
>>> already use wallets other than the core.
>>>
>>> Bring this particular discussion elsewhere, to the wallet developer.
>>>
>>> BTW the topic was discussed here several times, you have my support
>>> and Jeff
>>> Garzik's.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Tamas Blummer
>>> http://bitsofproof.com
>>>
>>> On 20.04.2014, at 15:15, Rob Golding <rob.golding@astutium.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> The average person is not going to be confident that the prefix they
>>> are using is the correct one,
>>>
>>>
>>> The use of any 'prefix' is one of choice and entirely unnecessary,
>>> and there
>>> are already established 'divisions' in u/mBTC for those that feel
>>> they need
>>> to use such things.
>>>
>>> people WILL send 1000x more or less than
>>> intended if we go down this road,
>>>
>>>
>>> Exceptionally unlikely - I deal every day with currencies with 0, 2
>>> and 3
>>> dp's in amount ranging from 'under 1 whole unit' to tens of
>>> thousands - Not
>>> once in 20 years has anyone ever 'sent' more or less than intended - oh,
>>> they've 'intended' to underpay just fine, but never *unintended*.
>>>
>>> I propose that users are offered a preference to denominate the
>>> Bitcoin currency in a unit called a bit. Where one bitcoin (BTC)
>>> equals one million bits (bits) and one bit equals 100 satoshis.
>>>
>>>
>>> I propose that for people unable to understand what a bitcoin is,
>>> they can
>>> just use satoshi's and drop this entire proposal.
>>>
>>> Rob
>>>
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Thread overview: 56+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-04-20 12:35 [Bitcoin-development] "bits": Unit of account Mike Gehl
2014-04-20 13:15 ` Rob Golding
2014-04-20 14:28   ` Tamas Blummer
2014-04-20 14:52     ` Christophe Biocca
2014-04-21  8:52       ` Thomas Voegtlin
2014-04-21  9:34         ` Tamas Blummer
2014-04-22 14:55           ` Natanael
2014-04-20 14:53     ` Pieter Wuille
2014-04-20 15:05       ` Tamas Blummer
2014-04-20 15:50         ` Alan Reiner [this message]
2014-04-20 16:19           ` Chris Pacia
2014-04-20 16:27             ` Wladimir
2014-04-20 16:30               ` Chris Pacia
2014-04-22 13:51               ` Aaron Axvig
2014-04-23  9:44                 ` Danny Hamilton
2014-04-23  9:56                   ` Tamas Blummer
2014-04-23 11:48                     ` Chris D'Costa
2014-04-20 16:23           ` Erik Garrison
2014-04-20 16:30             ` Alan Reiner
2014-04-20 16:56               ` Mike Caldwell
2014-04-20 17:47                 ` Jannis Froese
2014-04-20 18:10                 ` Pavol Rusnak
2014-04-20 17:42 ` Arne Brutschy
2014-04-20 18:11   ` Mike Caldwell
2014-04-20 18:22     ` Arne Brutschy
2014-04-20 18:34       ` Mike Caldwell
2014-04-20 18:43     ` Oliver Egginger
2014-04-20 19:19       ` Christophe Biocca
2014-04-20 19:32         ` Gmail
2014-04-20 20:28         ` Mike Caldwell
2014-04-21  0:16           ` Justin A
2014-04-21  1:18             ` Mike Caldwell
2014-04-21  1:33               ` Un Ix
2014-04-21  3:34                 ` Mike Caldwell
2014-04-21  4:08                   ` Christopher Paika
2014-04-21  5:41                 ` Pieter Wuille
2014-04-21  5:51                   ` Tamas Blummer
2014-04-21  6:21                   ` Tamas Blummer
2014-04-21 12:14                     ` Un Ix
2014-04-21 12:24                       ` Tamas Blummer
2014-05-01 22:35 Aaron Voisine
2014-05-03  2:06 ` Gordon Mohr
2014-05-03  5:41   ` Aaron Voisine
2014-05-03 15:48     ` Christophe Biocca
2014-05-03 16:02       ` slush
2014-05-03 16:10         ` Tamas Blummer
2014-05-03 16:27       ` Mike Caldwell
2014-05-04  1:04         ` Chris Pacia
2014-05-04  5:18           ` Drak
2014-05-04  6:15             ` Aaron Voisine
2014-05-04  6:23               ` Un Ix
2014-05-04  6:27               ` Wladimir
2014-05-04  6:36                 ` Tamas Blummer
2014-05-04  6:59                   ` Wladimir
2014-05-04 14:42               ` Mike Caldwell
2014-05-05 22:33     ` Gordon Mohr

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