From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from sog-mx-1.v43.ch3.sourceforge.com ([172.29.43.191] helo=mx.sourceforge.net) by sfs-ml-2.v29.ch3.sourceforge.com with esmtp (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1WfUDX-000397-3l for bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net; Wed, 30 Apr 2014 13:06:31 +0000 Received-SPF: pass (sog-mx-1.v43.ch3.sourceforge.com: domain of gmail.com designates 209.85.213.178 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.213.178; envelope-from=gacrux@gmail.com; helo=mail-ig0-f178.google.com; Received: from mail-ig0-f178.google.com ([209.85.213.178]) by sog-mx-1.v43.ch3.sourceforge.com with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) id 1WfUDT-00076H-SR for bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net; Wed, 30 Apr 2014 13:06:31 +0000 Received: by mail-ig0-f178.google.com with SMTP id r10so30164igi.11 for ; Wed, 30 Apr 2014 06:06:22 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.50.119.132 with SMTP id ku4mr4269470igb.35.1398862815970; Wed, 30 Apr 2014 06:00:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.150] (60-240-212-53.tpgi.com.au. [60.240.212.53]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id on9sm5699892igb.11.2014.04.30.06.00.14 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Wed, 30 Apr 2014 06:00:15 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <5360F3D6.4040002@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2014 23:00:06 +1000 From: Gareth Williams User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Bitcoin Dev References: <5359E509.4080907@gmail.com> <535A60FE.10209@gmail.com> <535BA357.6050607@gmail.com> <535CFDB4.1000200@gmail.com> <20140428214102.GA8347@netbook.cypherspace.org> In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 1.6 OpenPGP: id=378E4544 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="9WfBTFTM6mxSSVirKtmTGvSwQ2fekDwlB" X-Spam-Score: -1.6 (-) X-Spam-Report: Spam Filtering performed by mx.sourceforge.net. See http://spamassassin.org/tag/ for more details. -1.5 SPF_CHECK_PASS SPF reports sender host as permitted sender for sender-domain 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (gacrux[at]gmail.com) -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record -0.1 DKIM_VALID_AU Message has a valid DKIM or DK signature from author's domain 0.1 DKIM_SIGNED Message has a DKIM or DK signature, not necessarily valid -0.1 DKIM_VALID Message has at least one valid DKIM or DK signature X-Headers-End: 1WfUDT-00076H-SR Subject: Re: [Bitcoin-development] Coinbase reallocation to discourage Finney attacks X-BeenThere: bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2014 13:06:31 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --9WfBTFTM6mxSSVirKtmTGvSwQ2fekDwlB Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 30/04/14 00:13, Mike Hearn wrote: > I do think we need to move beyond this idea of Bitcoin being some kind > of elegant embodiment of natural mathematical law. It just ain't so.=20 I haven't seen anybody arguing that it is. Bitcoin is the elegant embodiment of /artificially contrived/ mathematical rules, which just so happen to be very useful in their current configuration :-P Nobody is saying those rules are immutable. Just that it isn't sensible to undermine them by introducing imprecise and unpredictable elements like human politics. > Every time miners and nodes ignore a block that creates >formula() coin= s > that's a majority vote on a controversial political matter No it isn't. That's the node enforcing the protocol. It isn't a matter of opinion, and it isn't a vote. The protocol is clearly defined: you either follow it or you're not running a Bitcoin node. If 51% don't follow it tomorrow /they're/ not running Bitcoin. Contrast with your "vote to reinterpret the meaning of arbitrary blocks" mechaism - you're free to vote either way while remaining within the protocol. That's a /real/ vote - majority decides what the Bitcoin protocol /and every node that follows it/ will recognise as valid. Nothing like that currently exists. Thank $deity. --9WfBTFTM6mxSSVirKtmTGvSwQ2fekDwlB Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJTYPPWAAoJEEY5w2E3jkVEDPEH/38jqqPTvak+OIwsHUPaZ9od ja5usk8i/vYdzLrTds35Uy2LyHUT9m8eTsQ1W9y7vkRdPKysXfWYYXa2suyJLt8x xX6pADQKP0yBLKBhH+ScIgl7RV9UbZ+n4T82Biw3Ehx1UopH+101ey5JqR50Uwvk uBX91Y2/U5AtgtePikqH4PBCkHKngoZjL1sy6k3dHFLZT/766nCwslrA24QHSXbc aL8Eo1X9TqgwcqqI+zk/cBoe85cT4I3+gTrmr20xunB2mHGa2A6th7aVY9nZOv+b IuSnRdEbOengvu1FiEF1C2M3gTIFqiz6U2VIrFMO/UKRK1jQTUxLikklZqh1JIE= =AZIt -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --9WfBTFTM6mxSSVirKtmTGvSwQ2fekDwlB--