From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from sog-mx-2.v43.ch3.sourceforge.com ([172.29.43.192] helo=mx.sourceforge.net) by sfs-ml-1.v29.ch3.sourceforge.com with esmtp (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1WfUJV-0003mF-GM for bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net; Wed, 30 Apr 2014 13:12:41 +0000 Received-SPF: pass (sog-mx-2.v43.ch3.sourceforge.com: domain of gmail.com designates 209.85.213.182 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.213.182; envelope-from=gacrux@gmail.com; helo=mail-ig0-f182.google.com; Received: from mail-ig0-f182.google.com ([209.85.213.182]) by sog-mx-2.v43.ch3.sourceforge.com with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) id 1WfUJU-00008I-OA for bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net; Wed, 30 Apr 2014 13:12:41 +0000 Received: by mail-ig0-f182.google.com with SMTP id l13so1635369iga.15 for ; Wed, 30 Apr 2014 06:12:35 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.43.93.5 with SMTP id bs5mr3748390icc.11.1398863554720; Wed, 30 Apr 2014 06:12:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.150] (60-240-212-53.tpgi.com.au. [60.240.212.53]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id i16sm5711647igf.11.2014.04.30.06.12.33 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Wed, 30 Apr 2014 06:12:33 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <5360F6BE.5000703@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2014 23:12:30 +1000 From: Gareth Williams User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net References: <5359E509.4080907@gmail.com> <535A60FE.10209@gmail.com> <535BA357.6050607@gmail.com> <535CFDB4.1000200@gmail.com> <20140428214102.GA8347@netbook.cypherspace.org> In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 1.6 OpenPGP: id=378E4544 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="44hLmAleDVA6PxQSwB84XkvS1W5oMoWDS" X-Spam-Score: -1.6 (-) X-Spam-Report: Spam Filtering performed by mx.sourceforge.net. See http://spamassassin.org/tag/ for more details. -1.5 SPF_CHECK_PASS SPF reports sender host as permitted sender for sender-domain 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (gacrux[at]gmail.com) -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record -0.1 DKIM_VALID_AU Message has a valid DKIM or DK signature from author's domain 0.1 DKIM_SIGNED Message has a DKIM or DK signature, not necessarily valid -0.1 DKIM_VALID Message has at least one valid DKIM or DK signature X-Headers-End: 1WfUJU-00008I-OA Subject: Re: [Bitcoin-development] Coinbase reallocation to discourage Finney attacks X-BeenThere: bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2014 13:12:41 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --44hLmAleDVA6PxQSwB84XkvS1W5oMoWDS Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 30/04/14 00:26, Mike Hearn wrote: > These parties wouldn't generally consider themselves attackers >=20 >=20 > Of course not, attackers rarely do :) If Bitcoin works correctly nobody should have to care if they consider themselves attackers, defenders, or little green men from Mars. There are simply nodes that follow the protocol, and nodes that do not. The fact that you even need to think about who should and should not be considered an attacker, in the context of your proposed change, should be ringing alarm bells :) > What do you think miners exist for? Ordering transactions. --44hLmAleDVA6PxQSwB84XkvS1W5oMoWDS Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJTYPa+AAoJEEY5w2E3jkVENBkH/AzXFTc2uL2jfm99dj4OjMeK GmiVaRTTiluv9cnCT4bpeOmdm5zbvYsgiFJEJyWcIEC6904LWlO81Ni0t0/XH0cz g2+ulnuZi2AXA6zVo8bjcl1d5lMfr9OqVIO1zauJQv6W4rN7s3s6HLXENor6/wer Ox5Jcfjgm+lqIDbAsEn6gVWrsV4jts7UjL0JtlrOb8EvIgyCGf9Tho7lfUPiPlOV MQAhKtUXmvuvhuObvIOqBE2DC3viMLa5SjjDFRh3q0GfzbIiXlXUIVih89XDCZ6g QXdYECkYGwkBhPx8IRxAzb8+fwOubTAeUg43LXmqNx5kCWQPnZ6C8+Z8OlC8O6E= =reac -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --44hLmAleDVA6PxQSwB84XkvS1W5oMoWDS--