From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from sog-mx-2.v43.ch3.sourceforge.com ([172.29.43.192] helo=mx.sourceforge.net) by sfs-ml-1.v29.ch3.sourceforge.com with esmtp (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1Wwdz1-0005LV-Vy for bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net; Mon, 16 Jun 2014 20:58:28 +0000 Received-SPF: pass (sog-mx-2.v43.ch3.sourceforge.com: domain of gmail.com designates 209.85.213.42 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.213.42; envelope-from=justusranvier@gmail.com; helo=mail-yh0-f42.google.com; Received: from mail-yh0-f42.google.com ([209.85.213.42]) by sog-mx-2.v43.ch3.sourceforge.com with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) id 1Wwdz0-0003Bi-7M for bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net; Mon, 16 Jun 2014 20:58:27 +0000 Received: by mail-yh0-f42.google.com with SMTP id i57so4878411yha.29 for ; Mon, 16 Jun 2014 13:58:20 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.236.134.169 with SMTP id s29mr37073382yhi.4.1402952300772; Mon, 16 Jun 2014 13:58:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.fuckthenavy.net ([198.203.28.43]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id m59sm22495079yhh.38.2014.06.16.13.58.18 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Mon, 16 Jun 2014 13:58:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.199.27] (unknown [207.244.76.165]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.fuckthenavy.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 76F8E25408; Mon, 16 Jun 2014 20:58:15 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <539F59B0.5040601@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2014 20:55:12 +0000 From: Justus Ranvier User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Matt Whitlock References: <87aaf81b20e17332175a3fbcd091c317.squirrel@fulvetta.riseup.net> <1801389.9PVWAZniMG@crushinator> <1866054.ECx185lXld@crushinator> <422d16e8.kqhkiG.146a60d2382@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <422d16e8.kqhkiG.146a60d2382@gmail.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.6 OpenPGP: id=38450DB5; url=http://pool.sks-keyservers.net/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0xC3F7BB2638450DB5 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------020407030609050107020609" X-Spam-Score: -1.6 (-) X-Spam-Report: Spam Filtering performed by mx.sourceforge.net. See http://spamassassin.org/tag/ for more details. -1.5 SPF_CHECK_PASS SPF reports sender host as permitted sender for sender-domain 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (justusranvier[at]gmail.com) -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record -0.1 DKIM_VALID_AU Message has a valid DKIM or DK signature from author's domain 0.1 DKIM_SIGNED Message has a DKIM or DK signature, not necessarily valid -0.1 DKIM_VALID Message has at least one valid DKIM or DK signature X-Headers-End: 1Wwdz0-0003Bi-7M Cc: Bitcoin Dev Subject: Re: [Bitcoin-development] Incentivizing the running of full nodes X-BeenThere: bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2014 20:58:28 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------020407030609050107020609 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 06/16/2014 07:00 PM, Justus Ranvier wrote: > There can be multiple independent transport networks for Bitcoin. > > There already is: ipv4, ipv6, Tor, and native_i2p (out of tree > patch). > > As long as multihomed hosts that act as bridges then information > will propagate across all of them. -- Justus Ranvier > ----------------- sent with R2Mail2 > > ----- Original Message ----- From: Matt Whitlock > >> Now another concern: won't this proposal increase the likelihood >> of a network split? The free-market capitalist nodes will want to >> charge their peers and will kick and ban peers that don't pay up >> (and will pay their peers to avoid being kicked and banned >> themselves), whereas the socialist nodes will want all of their >> peers to feed them transactions out of the goodness of their >> hearts and will thus necessarily be relegated to connecting only >> to other altrustic peers. Thus, the network will comprise two >> incompatible ideological camps, whose nodes won't interconnect. Also consider that currently there are many people have already demonstrated a willingness to donate bandwidth and resources to the public by running nodes, so those people aren't going to disappear. They could operate mixed-mode nodes, with a fraction of the allowed incoming connections reserved for free peer, with free connections might be limited in terms of time duration. Bitcoin-accepting brick-and-mortars would probably allow free access to anyone connected to their internal wifi to facilitate people wanting to pay. Crowdfunded free bridges, assurance contracts, etc are all other ways to let people get into the network with no upfront cost. - -- Support online privacy by using email encryption whenever possible. 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