From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from sog-mx-2.v43.ch3.sourceforge.com ([172.29.43.192] helo=mx.sourceforge.net) by sfs-ml-4.v29.ch3.sourceforge.com with esmtp (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1WzQiR-0003SQ-QC for bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net; Tue, 24 Jun 2014 13:24:52 +0000 Received-SPF: pass (sog-mx-2.v43.ch3.sourceforge.com: domain of gmx.de designates 212.227.17.22 as permitted sender) client-ip=212.227.17.22; envelope-from=thomasv1@gmx.de; helo=mout.gmx.net; Received: from mout.gmx.net ([212.227.17.22]) by sog-mx-2.v43.ch3.sourceforge.com with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.76) id 1WzQiP-0001do-SR for bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net; Tue, 24 Jun 2014 13:24:51 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.27] ([84.97.180.55]) by mail.gmx.com (mrgmx002) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0LtrKX-1WZt9i1RMj-011DnG for ; Tue, 24 Jun 2014 15:24:43 +0200 Message-ID: <53A97C1A.2060906@gmx.de> Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2014 15:24:42 +0200 From: Thomas Voegtlin User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net References: In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 1.6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:6mcgRzC0wZAO+szyifP6zTCbHvwTnC3Lyc7lhmZ1HsTerxTJgtW /b8l1lQTh+iS5MOzoNB1GrZmpeug+CDEa256/YSRBkL37qss8rKAoEm/je46KL/pxPs+tZz ubDq9echPCQZ1Qh6smZ4S7t4srgfIRvTHwzhy36II9za/9gGjvr+de0omG/OLtv2i3r8w3W yNPInJ1Hi+Lfpk4OfxBKg== X-Spam-Score: -1.2 (-) X-Spam-Report: Spam Filtering performed by mx.sourceforge.net. See http://spamassassin.org/tag/ for more details. -1.5 SPF_CHECK_PASS SPF reports sender host as permitted sender for sender-domain 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (thomasv1[at]gmx.de) -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [212.227.17.22 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.2 FREEMAIL_ENVFROM_END_DIGIT Envelope-from freemail username ends in digit (thomasv1[at]gmx.de) X-Headers-End: 1WzQiP-0001do-SR Subject: Re: [Bitcoin-development] Plans to separate wallet from core X-BeenThere: bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2014 13:24:52 -0000 Le 24/06/2014 11:44, Wladimir a écrit : >> But IMO this is a passed stage. SPV wallets w/ Bloom filtering can >> work without any special servers, so why require a 'close binding' to >> a trusted bitcoin core? > > To clarify (and not piss off ThomasV :-): I do not think the idea of > having servers with a reputation of their own is a passed stage. There > are many things that cannot be done at SPV level security with just > the P2P protocol yet. So having fewer but more trusted Electrum > servers is a reasonable compromise. > Thanks for that :) Note that my goal is to make the Electrum servers as trustless as possible, and not to rely on some sort of 'reputation'. Thomas