From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from sog-mx-3.v43.ch3.sourceforge.com ([172.29.43.193] helo=mx.sourceforge.net) by sfs-ml-1.v29.ch3.sourceforge.com with esmtp (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1XmVrc-0006dM-8P for bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net; Thu, 06 Nov 2014 22:49:12 +0000 Received-SPF: pass (sog-mx-3.v43.ch3.sourceforge.com: domain of riseup.net designates 198.252.153.129 as permitted sender) client-ip=198.252.153.129; envelope-from=justusranvier@riseup.net; helo=mx1.riseup.net; Received: from mx1.riseup.net ([198.252.153.129]) by sog-mx-3.v43.ch3.sourceforge.com with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.76) id 1XmVra-0001NP-PV for bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net; Thu, 06 Nov 2014 22:49:12 +0000 Received: from plantcutter.riseup.net (plantcutter-pn.riseup.net [10.0.1.121]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "*.riseup.net", Issuer "COMODO RSA Domain Validation Secure Server CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.riseup.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A8EAF421A7; Thu, 6 Nov 2014 22:49:04 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) (Authenticated sender: justusranvier) with ESMTPSA id 1B24420827 Received: from [192.168.202.4] (unknown [46.21.154.83]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.fuckthenavy.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 244EE25EE4; Thu, 6 Nov 2014 22:48:57 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <545BFAD6.1000504@riseup.net> Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2014 16:48:54 -0600 From: Justus Ranvier MIME-Version: 1.0 To: bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net References: <20141106213215.GA12918@savin.petertodd.org> <545BF0C2.3030201@bluematt.me> In-Reply-To: OpenPGP: id=38450DB5; url=http://pool.sks-keyservers.net/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0xC3F7BB2638450DB5 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="Ldgwn4G1lRRwmEcsGOq1enEGxa4TXuu4k" X-Spam-Score: -2.2 (--) X-Spam-Report: Spam Filtering performed by mx.sourceforge.net. See http://spamassassin.org/tag/ for more details. -1.5 SPF_CHECK_PASS SPF reports sender host as permitted sender for sender-domain -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [198.252.153.129 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 SPF_HELO_PASS SPF: HELO matches SPF record -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record -0.6 RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain -0.1 DKIM_VALID_AU Message has a valid DKIM or DK signature from author's domain 0.1 DKIM_SIGNED Message has a DKIM or DK signature, not necessarily valid -0.1 DKIM_VALID Message has at least one valid DKIM or DK signature 0.0 UNPARSEABLE_RELAY Informational: message has unparseable relay lines X-Headers-End: 1XmVra-0001NP-PV Subject: Re: [Bitcoin-development] The difficulty of writing consensus critical code: the SIGHASH_SINGLE bug X-BeenThere: bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2014 22:49:12 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --Ldgwn4G1lRRwmEcsGOq1enEGxa4TXuu4k Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------030007030104070201040704" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------030007030104070201040704 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 11/06/2014 04:11 PM, Jeff Garzik wrote: > RE soft fork vs. hard fork: It's about this time at Mike Hearn will > chime in, on the side of hard forks. Hard forks are in a sense much > cleaner, and permit solving problems not otherwise solvable with a > hard fork. However, hard forks clearly have risks, notably the Big > Risk akin to a US Constitutional Convention: once you open the door, > anything can happen, any rule no matter how "sacred" can be changed. Yes, there are risks, but those risks could be managed with appropriate effort. Major players could publicly commit to a set of ground rules vis a vis what categories of changes are and are not acceptable. Maybe at some point there could even be something that resembles project management for the Bitcoin protocol. Why not schedule protocol upgrades every two years for the foreseeable future? Spend one year achieving broad consensus regarding what changes to make in the next upgrade, then spend one year in feature freeze (all future proposals postponed for the next cycle) then execute the upgrade. The top priority should be fixing bugs that make specifying and re-implementing the protocol nearly impossible. Those kinds of changes should have little difficulty achieving near-unanimous consensus. There shouldn't be any problems separating obviously-needed changes from the ones that let third parties blacklist coins, or a majority of miners vote to confiscate block rewards from minority, tamper with the issuance schedule, etc. --=20 Support online privacy by using email encryption whenever possible. 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