From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from sog-mx-1.v43.ch3.sourceforge.com ([172.29.43.191] helo=mx.sourceforge.net) by sfs-ml-3.v29.ch3.sourceforge.com with esmtp (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1Y13EJ-0005jh-6a for bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net; Wed, 17 Dec 2014 01:16:43 +0000 Received-SPF: pass (sog-mx-1.v43.ch3.sourceforge.com: domain of riseup.net designates 198.252.153.129 as permitted sender) client-ip=198.252.153.129; envelope-from=odinn.cyberguerrilla@riseup.net; helo=mx1.riseup.net; Received: from mx1.riseup.net ([198.252.153.129]) by sog-mx-1.v43.ch3.sourceforge.com with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.76) id 1Y13EI-0005OG-0h for bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net; Wed, 17 Dec 2014 01:16:43 +0000 Received: from plantcutter.riseup.net (plantcutter-pn.riseup.net [10.0.1.121]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "*.riseup.net", Issuer "COMODO RSA Domain Validation Secure Server CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.riseup.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8C0BD41338; Wed, 17 Dec 2014 01:16:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) (Authenticated sender: odinn.cyberguerrilla) with ESMTPSA id 876BF206A6 Message-ID: <5490D96E.8030604@riseup.net> Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2014 01:16:30 +0000 From: odinn MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Peter Todd References: <20141212090551.GA8259@muck> <548AF08E.6080408@riseup.net> <20141215045958.GD23859@savin.petertodd.org> In-Reply-To: <20141215045958.GD23859@savin.petertodd.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.98.4 at mx1 X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Score: -1.6 (-) X-Spam-Report: Spam Filtering performed by mx.sourceforge.net. See http://spamassassin.org/tag/ for more details. -1.5 SPF_CHECK_PASS SPF reports sender host as permitted sender for sender-domain -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [198.252.153.129 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 SPF_HELO_PASS SPF: HELO matches SPF record -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record -0.1 DKIM_VALID_AU Message has a valid DKIM or DK signature from author's domain 0.1 DKIM_SIGNED Message has a DKIM or DK signature, not necessarily valid -0.1 DKIM_VALID Message has at least one valid DKIM or DK signature 0.0 UNPARSEABLE_RELAY Informational: message has unparseable relay lines X-Headers-End: 1Y13EI-0005OG-0h Cc: bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Bitcoin-development] Setting the record straight on Proof-of-Publication X-BeenThere: bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2014 01:16:43 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA512 bleep bloop Peter Todd: > On Fri, Dec 12, 2014 at 01:41:34PM +0000, odinn wrote: >> Peter... It kind of sounds to me that (as fine of a position >> paper as this is) on _certain_ points, you're falling prey to the >> "but it's inefficient, but it's a scamcoin, but luke-jr told me >> so" argument... > > I prefer to make robust arguments; if I can start with accepting > that 95% of what my opponents say is true, yet still end up being > correct, all the better! > >> I think the Mastercoin devs are doing fine work and I consider >> the zerocash devs to have developed (in v2, mint and pour) to >> have developed something that will really turn the world on its >> ear, but what do I know? Nothing. Nothing at all. > > My personal opinion is that what Mastercoin has started will turn > the world on its ear, but I'd be surprised if the succesful > implementations of the underlying ideas come from that team. But > there's nothing surprising about that - when was the last time you > used Netscape Navigator, let alone NCSA Mosaic? > - -- http://abis.io ~ "a protocol concept to enable decentralization and expansion of a giving economy, and a new social good" https://keybase.io/odinn -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQEcBAEBCgAGBQJUkNluAAoJEGxwq/inSG8CKy0IAJmCUmDbaCx33/km0J2mP7ha kxX3fxiPpicD8hXa4FXBsrYqj7ZFu0OmFOU/ei0AXMOuu94rQdIp6hon3f5GO73J WVT2Toqd2GTCXhmddyqtOzZ5mYOyZhlJUYlNjbwTmlk+U2hQbZC1aJ4AKdmjQn5v 9DFkZfqBSsNhcoLCKoVqY3l4qzw0XqeL6fOYkz2H9AssWdcUV9JB5C0wm8rI70AX qcxABgrKDwhThWgHyHGZXHLCvRRpMUFFVbzO67BPZA2R+gXYtOAVDozl7jdx7PLl x3nyzZK3pX1bqcT2T5fD8wQtu4yJ3RCBVWzHfrA5MF6q4Yh6DEh7DnO8ccOnPlk= =1os7 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----