From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from sog-mx-1.v43.ch3.sourceforge.com ([172.29.43.191] helo=mx.sourceforge.net) by sfs-ml-3.v29.ch3.sourceforge.com with esmtp (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1Y5wfn-0001Vt-LU for bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net; Tue, 30 Dec 2014 13:17:19 +0000 Received: from mail-yh0-f47.google.com ([209.85.213.47]) by sog-mx-1.v43.ch3.sourceforge.com with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) id 1Y5wfm-0005Ph-AJ for bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net; Tue, 30 Dec 2014 13:17:19 +0000 Received: by mail-yh0-f47.google.com with SMTP id f73so7236018yha.20 for ; Tue, 30 Dec 2014 05:17:12 -0800 (PST) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:message-id:date:from:organization:mime-version :to:subject:references:in-reply-to:openpgp:content-type; bh=2/Zw2d7cuZJwCtrzomk3B03FhT+nKQUIAz8Yg0S67jo=; b=D/DXsuymZRLRhgA73xVcMhzq7EvQHUKFTF2R+TBTzDjJ3jj5GMSfojm+zO27kbueLR pyvxe/4+V2k4/bgy+UA6D1c6x05gwj6z+J62YXXi10iB9ZAxXuJjcfGR2WaXsQS7hc1w 6KXHoBue9ST3CQew6o6zeaSsNOxcr5mUycbk1Fkn4OPMtNUctU1SCvJsXBC97QNJ3X1T 5chPbrtqnxrhB3OYHxrNLmnK4h6MnHuEaaseaerI234RnA8Fn+Gx/QXPARGQ3rPS4/2n zfG9R+oT2E8zBPwsLvY8L95LTEMB8T4+GjK8crHiiYPSHY/RmYuZNsi6wOZYbrliMUxG bSEA== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQnVj9MTuWY/jWtg3s+3mua4yInAaCMA914m0IkoiJZAjY8KESHAxiTB5G0HyoWxea/5hNLW X-Received: by 10.170.63.212 with SMTP id f203mr15552609ykf.63.1419945432859; Tue, 30 Dec 2014 05:17:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobelium.whale.ddns.net ([198.203.28.43]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id r63sm27236784yho.8.2014.12.30.05.17.11 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Tue, 30 Dec 2014 05:17:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.202.127] (unknown [192.168.202.127]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by nobelium.whale.ddns.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 37106C64F5 for ; Tue, 30 Dec 2014 07:17:01 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <54A2A5C8.4010804@monetas.net> Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2014 13:16:56 +0000 From: Justus Ranvier Organization: Monetas MIME-Version: 1.0 To: bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net References: <54A1A99E.1020604@certimix.com> <54A1C8CF.50907@monetas.net> In-Reply-To: OpenPGP: id=38450DB5; url=http://pool.sks-keyservers.net/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0xC3F7BB2638450DB5 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------050200000904060905010500" X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam Filtering performed by mx.sourceforge.net. See http://spamassassin.org/tag/ for more details. X-Headers-End: 1Y5wfm-0005Ph-AJ Subject: Re: [Bitcoin-development] BIP: Voluntary deposit bonds X-BeenThere: bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2014 13:17:19 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------050200000904060905010500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 On 12/30/2014 10:47 AM, Jorge Timón wrote: > What services? I must be missing something obvious about the > motivation. I understand the difference between "paying to myself > only when I mine the next block" and "offering fees to whoever > mines this tx". But how does allowing miners to pay to themselves > in this way help with security and future lower subsidies at all? I don't know what Sergio Lernet meant about miners paying themselves and future network security. If miners wanted to offer value-added services, especially if those services involved adding specific scripts to the outputs of the generation transaction, the most natural way for their customers to pay them is to allow inputs to the generation transaction. 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