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([2600:380:7052:2025:5c3c:5aa:8527:442c]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id t63sm16278091pfj.44.2018.02.18.11.14.23 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Sun, 18 Feb 2018 11:14:24 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) From: Eric Voskuil X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (15D60) In-Reply-To: Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2018 11:14:22 -0800 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <54BE283E-5DD2-4BD4-9218-DD9E9AFC8A99@voskuil.org> References: <640e2daf-343d-62be-d6da-a2c1b4bc2bfd@cannon-ciota.info> <9IZu22-jNUMzMcq7VK0qdzd2tj333lWOhOUe3A5V6OUaFlpQiS8lRFm-ZdGew4Im5KQ9qF4nF3WT3QugHMVrOi3Lr82FvyH9w-XG32NH7oQ=@protonmail.com> <5E8E7227-8F90-40A2-B3D6-CA9D03CD3FEC@voskuil.org> To: rhavar@protonmail.com X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID, MIME_QP_LONG_LINE, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE autolearn=ham version=3.3.1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on smtp1.linux-foundation.org X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sun, 18 Feb 2018 19:28:58 +0000 Cc: Bitcoin Protocol Discussion Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] Increased blockspace enabled by SegWit limited to just witness data? X-BeenThere: bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Bitcoin Protocol Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2018 19:14:25 -0000 If the new rule is more restrictive the original limit remains. e On Feb 18, 2018, at 11:04, rhavar@protonmail.com wrote: >> No rule has been =E2=80=9Creplaced=E2=80=9D. >=20 > It really has been. The code is no longer checks the size of a block, but t= he weight of it. For all intents and purposes the block size limits has been= replaced in favor of a block weight limit. It's just been designed such tha= t the new rule is more restrictive than the one it replaces. >=20 > Now, I'm not doubting you can argue the semantics on the difference betwee= n "replacing with a more restrictive rule" and "leaving the existing rules, b= ut adding a new one" -- but it's uninteresting and only serves to confuse no= vice's like CANNON into thinking that there are two rules/spaces/limits for t= ransactions. >=20 >=20 >=20 > =E2=80=8B-Ryan >=20 > =E2=80=8B >=20 > -------- Original Message -------- >> On February 18, 2018 1:39 PM, Eric Voskuil wrote: >>=20 >> As a soft fork, all preceding rules remain in effect. No rule has been =E2= =80=9Creplaced=E2=80=9D. Blocks must validate against pre-segwit rules or ar= e invalid. Additional rules are applied that further restrict validity, and c= onsider additional (witness) data in the context of the block. >>=20 >> e >>=20 >>> On Feb 18, 2018, at 09:04, Ryan Havar via bitcoin-dev bitcoin-dev@lists.= linuxfoundation.org wrote: >>> No, you are misunderstanding. The block size limit (1MB) has been replac= ed in favor of a block weight limit (4M weight). Bytes which must be sent to= old clients are weighted at 4 units each which is what allows it to be a so= ft fork. >>> So as such, there's not two separate limits or anything. >>> P.S. what's up with your signature lol >>> =E2=80=8B-Ryan >>> =E2=80=8B >>> -------- Original Message -------- >>>> On February 18, 2018 11:26 AM, CANNON via bitcoin-dev bitcoin-dev@lists= .linuxfoundation.org wrote: >>>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >>>> Hash: SHA512 >>>> I have a question in reference to the increased blockspace enabled >>>> by the segregated witness upgrade. Is this extra blockspace beyond >>>> the legacy 1 MB limit limited to just witness data? >>>> Cannon >>>> PGP Fingerprint: 2BB5 15CD 66E7 4E28 45DC 6494 A5A2 2879 3F06 E832 >>>> Email: cannon@cannon-ciota.info >>>> NOTICE: ALL EMAIL CORRESPONDENCE NOT SIGNED/ENCRYPTED WITH PGP SHOULD >>>> BE CONSIDERED POTENTIALLY FORGED, AND NOT PRIVATE. >>>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- >>>> iQIcBAEBCgAGBQJaiajLAAoJEAYDai9lH2mwDbMQAKgJseZG9oOoP9WJlESFdAzm >>>> jLM69KLF4RVWDQjMWCtyVayyolXMLavW6fL4GL7/ztLYSl9Pz+FDlH3Qgo1GLDx4 >>>> fRUkmb0ApLBSAjmdqM+kWjgq3s6/oZaIkNxGeyK5SYY4QhF80Z42PWLBPKjAc7vn >>>> pe7Im13NwtyJiRuCmq4e1z6GmW86fFOKOsR4rlWcftHOFmH8Gz5d9KK9LbPqU6Ca >>>> +rde8yb+A9uXEv3O9MqeLId7FYSJixgzFGJosidVkAVQI7YZ0TAfG4HSwKjtqDz7 >>>> SW2Bs3nDeiCr2QN7Su9TUaoSN/yKTBOw5jnql9cNOYuf4GAG0MXWinmYP8MWCiqh >>>> bIrzvOnlZGapX/36Fpab67VDcFnXJJc8ofqYmn+oUoW/q7geQpu/V1oz+AR9nD/d >>>> n8wFxvZdRlTbq2XDXySaontxNH0rd80fSG5SJtO5Js9hK/vNG+Xa7Zc+76gEtvlF >>>> 5G1F6MOcsoXUDCnMteuNxaZx6TPML6RuWVmbR1wXOaX4qZ01p7AsjQlTIcrlVDsB >>>> LVGW70wjfETBCffn1JQvFmIK7NzggIUuYfLF0IrfM4BrTa/01RnmfBOpWGiIvyIG >>>> qZqKLYDbW7BDkc/HMtAonR/0t6bTUv/388USSnbMakO9bvih0xxIw4NWTyoSoef/ >>>> I+W6ny7qXt+pegLF4cYL >>>> =3DYqEM >>>> -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- >>>> bitcoin-dev mailing list >>>> bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org >>>> https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-dev >>>>=20 >>> bitcoin-dev mailing list >>> bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org >>> https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-dev >>>=20 >>=20 >=20