From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from sog-mx-2.v43.ch3.sourceforge.com ([172.29.43.192] helo=mx.sourceforge.net) by sfs-ml-4.v29.ch3.sourceforge.com with esmtp (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1YL8X7-0003Xa-47 for bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net; Tue, 10 Feb 2015 10:59:09 +0000 X-ACL-Warn: Received: from mail-pa0-f52.google.com ([209.85.220.52]) by sog-mx-2.v43.ch3.sourceforge.com with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) id 1YL8X5-0007ED-Fd for bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net; Tue, 10 Feb 2015 10:59:09 +0000 Received: by mail-pa0-f52.google.com with SMTP id ey11so16291458pad.11 for ; Tue, 10 Feb 2015 02:59:01 -0800 (PST) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to :cc:subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type; bh=G1iS1Ylz8XB/v6ApXL5VvaBWLHQZ+ThhMcRKmZWXYOY=; b=KugJZ74/mKTbUyWsHzg+G8oLgaluUj2C5+DPL+u9VzVcRid3ddKYTnmLNjZGg8f71d 1ERK1mQCpfKRqBvWwHUrpuOGqlrtyKslZT3kIZ30Nbg0LDsPlQIUFOGiSlzf8SXnDUB7 WgGunk2VaRSp9sIZ4lm6ZjpjJ1a9XF8V5/Tbv1g5CQ4QuPg+CRlRviyN9h97sW1SH1fG qj+9TtgFO10V2IVLpOKoFPir6vzqOH/hrfViaTVdgeTQQD1e/Lk0gR8RfmftXBsUZpOT kT8EHz4rXJA0Oh8hq+3NALdWUsyEt/K8pagxey8QT5sE3J1CJbZjY6tqgQD/Ex81jKEF xuRA== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQkt/Hj2htFUWYKZJiBUzOK9yhIWbM1LkIC3RqkdmqoRcqKLj5zsJRWGwMXBrOa/BhvMaG2g X-Received: by 10.66.100.202 with SMTP id fa10mr36680561pab.36.1423565941622; Tue, 10 Feb 2015 02:59:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from [10.0.1.3] (c-50-135-46-157.hsd1.wa.comcast.net. [50.135.46.157]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id w4sm19020245pdh.71.2015.02.10.02.59.00 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Tue, 10 Feb 2015 02:59:00 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <54D9E489.4080207@voskuil.org> Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2015 02:59:21 -0800 From: Eric Voskuil User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Natanael , =?UTF-8?B?TeKStnJ0aW4gSOKStmJv4pOLxaE=?= =?UTF-8?B?dGlhaw==?= References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="6JCCdKAk6fjLAnLQr4wIsfCLmQhFr3vLi" X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam Filtering performed by mx.sourceforge.net. See http://spamassassin.org/tag/ for more details. X-Headers-End: 1YL8X5-0007ED-Fd Cc: Bitcoin Dev Subject: Re: [Bitcoin-development] Standardizing automatic pre-negotiation of transaction terms with BIP70? (Emulating Amazon one-click purchase at all merchants) X-BeenThere: bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2015 10:59:09 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --6JCCdKAk6fjLAnLQr4wIsfCLmQhFr3vLi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 02/10/2015 02:41 AM, Natanael wrote: > Den 10 feb 2015 11:34 skrev "M=E2=92=B6rtin H=E2=92=B6bo=E2=93=8B=C5=A1= tiak" > >: >> >> Why would anyone want to do anything about payment before choosing >> what he wants to buy and for what price? I've never used Amazon but >> isn't filling a form with shipping information enough? >=20 > That's not what this is about. >=20 > BIP70 isn't just payment, it is about communication the terms of the sa= le. Hi Natanael, BIP70 exists for seller non-repudiation (i.e. a cryptographically signed receipt for payment) and establishing strong seller identity in a face-to-face or other non-web scenario (since TLS doesn't help). Anything else is incidental. > Let's say you're visiting an international webshop. But they don't ship= > to your country. Wouldn't you want to know that before your start > filling the cart? With this, your wallet / browser extension could tell= > you right away that you can't shop there. No time wasted! >=20 > That's just one requirement of many where you would benefit from being > told right away if it is acceptable for both parties or not. There's quite a bit that can be done with wallets and web sites, but personally I'd freak out if my wallet prompted me because I visited a web site. e --6JCCdKAk6fjLAnLQr4wIsfCLmQhFr3vLi Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1 iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJU2eSKAAoJEDzYwH8LXOFOnScH/2C+Rd6lbeYOKO/TvhwuKNBy 6nFQKEwvCdp0hOGPSfzB0tQNqG3a0C+hWMRBP0uJrpZtoY73KHXlqiywBM0SQfjT E3dCztTaeXwA0XqNesm+LmMMhED5B+S5wpA6MYhw4tdfAOksWFfVDQeIyWEyvIxo fy9ahqXWU+WIxqbqXQJZydXBDhjkoBzMfrj8JnEs7Qz3fYsY0koLucVsIe1ARUon q2ks4Ql1IQd9AMEjC5+cBs6cLFWTUBmb6oNN/7nRQtLX/MHeB+UHdC/4jfgMP/oB 3liMKdWC0Em/kOO/3k8AuX/eY81wURRxngag9NWfIaXJMxhlTlCvBHqEEulA1Wg= =IHfz -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --6JCCdKAk6fjLAnLQr4wIsfCLmQhFr3vLi--