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See http://spamassassin.org/tag/ for more details. X-Headers-End: 1Z2kwY-0004Rb-32 Cc: Eric Stetson , bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Bitcoin-development] Is SourceForge still trustworthy enough to host this list? X-BeenThere: bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2015 18:41:43 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --f3QcvgT2gHGGGs1i9aE0msIFkBhnfTG79 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Troy, I like the idea of the live mirrors. I'm personally just an amateur at=20 setting up e-mail servers, but the first concern I have is that everyone = hosting a mirror may not necessarily use the same SMTP MTA. I personally = use postfix, but I'm not sure what most people use. Some other features I'd like to see required is PGP/MIME support and=20 ensuring that digital signatures are not broken by footers, etc.=20 appended to the bottom of the message by the list. It might be nice to=20 also allow for HTML messages? Here is a link with some current statistics to get an idea what the load = may be. I've been told there are about 1,200 subscribers.=20 http://dir.gmane.org/gmane.comp.bitcoin.devel Andy Schroder On 06/10/2015 02:02 PM, Troy Benjegerdes wrote: > I'll sponsor it, if we agree to implement a HashCash spam filter > in the next 6 months. I've run mail servers for $DAYJOB for 5 or > so years, and I've run my own personal server for the last 14. > > Since Bitcoin is a perfectly good HashCash system, I'm thinking a > http://www.courier-mta.org/courierfilter.html filter plugin that > checks to ensure that the required bitcoin fee has been paid, or > better yet included in the message in some standard form. > > I'd like to have several other people with linux admin experience > also agree to host live mirrors of the list, which could be switched > over by whomever controls the relevant MX records for the mail list. > > What do you think a reasonable per-message fee should be, such that > a couple of independent admins can reasonably expect to be able to > pay $250/month each for their time and server hosting/bandwidth costs? > > I also think that anyone who's contributed more than say 10 or 15 > commits to https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/graphs/contributors > should be excluded from the pay-with-bitcoin filter, as they have > paid with code. The rest of us should be paying to distribute and > archive their efforts. > > On Wed, Jun 10, 2015 at 12:46:49PM -0400, Andy Schroder wrote: >> Regarding changing the e-mail list provider. Is anyone interested in >> sponsoring it? There are non-free options, but it may be difficult to >> always ensure the fee is being paid to the provider. I think finding a= n >> agreeable free solution may have been the issue before? I've also >> thought of trying to make a pay per message or byte solution (and this= >> cost could be dynamic based upon the number of current mailing list >> subscribers). This could solve the who pays problem (the sender pays),= >> as well as motivate people to be more concise and clear with their >> messages, and at the same time limit spam. >> >> >> >> Any thoughts? >> >> Andy Schroder >> >> On 06/10/2015 05:35 AM, Wladimir J. van der Laan wrote: >>> On Wed, Jun 10, 2015 at 10:25:12AM +0200, xor wrote: >>>> http://www.howtogeek.com/218764/warning-don%E2%80%99t-download-softw= are-from-sourceforge-if-you-can-help-it/ >>> All our downloads (even old ones) have recently been deleted from sou= rceforge, for this reason. They haven't been mentioned in Bitcon Core rel= ease announcements for a long time. >>> >>> No opinion on the mailing list. Though I think it's less urgent. The = issue of moving the mailinglist has come up before a few times and people= can't agree where to move to. >>> >>> Wladimir >>> >>> >>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------= --------- >> >> ----------------------------------------------------------------------= -------- >> _______________________________________________ >> Bitcoin-development mailing list >> Bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bitcoin-development --f3QcvgT2gHGGGs1i9aE0msIFkBhnfTG79 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJVeITcAAoJEDT679stRBhr5qwIAM7EOqoAh4JfBee6/lREVieT EwxzRpLUl6Pl8LX2KkDK2xLqOM6ZxoJ2n+fSHzxMwrLUo4s9BG4Fop+L2XXOFzKs ZsM1dYFrLFf02zntHZ9rDhTmg7dmoYIb1lxjHJO9pbjJiNpHwXGaYwKfoumUdGbw SHekHf9iy9eNMzaAh3BKaurWSszaEIUiHVKwlQ/xIoA8F1Rush4CHOwQ8c/J4N8F 4QiHBGfILgGonTvQGmZ/zgDv7Q8IqyoLKJuH5vHymJYYrs5+abZfLXuGU5XK86aW bEhUI7UDG+wTxVKsPKMQ6cny1g2o5d/O/LzslH7RF18jwxux3e95I7TzrrnEGIw= =Pj9m -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --f3QcvgT2gHGGGs1i9aE0msIFkBhnfTG79--