From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from sog-mx-1.v43.ch3.sourceforge.com ([172.29.43.191] helo=mx.sourceforge.net) by sfs-ml-1.v29.ch3.sourceforge.com with esmtp (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1Z3eZc-00027F-9v for bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net; Sat, 13 Jun 2015 06:05:44 +0000 Received-SPF: pass (sog-mx-1.v43.ch3.sourceforge.com: domain of riseup.net designates 198.252.153.129 as permitted sender) client-ip=198.252.153.129; envelope-from=odinn.cyberguerrilla@riseup.net; helo=mx1.riseup.net; Received: from mx1.riseup.net ([198.252.153.129]) by sog-mx-1.v43.ch3.sourceforge.com with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.76) id 1Z3eZb-00036J-5V for bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net; Sat, 13 Jun 2015 06:05:44 +0000 Received: from plantcutter.riseup.net (plantcutter-pn.riseup.net [10.0.1.121]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "*.riseup.net", Issuer "COMODO RSA Domain Validation Secure Server CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.riseup.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 19143423BD for ; Sat, 13 Jun 2015 06:05:37 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) (Authenticated sender: odinn.cyberguerrilla) with ESMTPSA id D4F861FC5F Message-ID: <557BC82F.1010901@riseup.net> Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2015 23:05:35 -0700 From: odinn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net References: <556CF426.3030204@voskuil.org> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.98.7 at mx1 X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Score: -1.5 (-) X-Spam-Report: Spam Filtering performed by mx.sourceforge.net. See http://spamassassin.org/tag/ for more details. -1.5 SPF_CHECK_PASS SPF reports sender host as permitted sender for sender-domain -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [198.252.153.129 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 SPF_HELO_PASS SPF: HELO matches SPF record -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record -0.1 DKIM_VALID_AU Message has a valid DKIM or DK signature from author's domain 0.1 DKIM_SIGNED Message has a DKIM or DK signature, not necessarily valid -0.1 DKIM_VALID Message has at least one valid DKIM or DK signature 0.0 UNPARSEABLE_RELAY Informational: message has unparseable relay lines 0.1 AWL AWL: Adjusted score from AWL reputation of From: address X-Headers-End: 1Z3eZb-00036J-5V Subject: Re: [Bitcoin-development] Proposed alternatives to the 20MB step X-BeenThere: bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 13 Jun 2015 06:05:44 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 06/02/2015 04:03 AM, Mike Hearn wrote: (...) > > If you really believe that decentralisation is, itself, the end, > then why not go use an "ASIC resistant" alt coin with no SPV or web > wallets which resembles Bitcoin at the end of 2009? That'd be a > whole lot more decentralised than what you have now. > > The *percentage* of the community that mines is totally > irrelevant, it's the absolute number of (independent) people that > matters. > > > So usage does matter, then? You'd rather have a coin that has > power concentrated in a far smaller elite, proportionally, but has > overall more usage? If there are say, 5000 full nodes today, and in > ten years there are 6000, and they all run in vast datacenters and > are owned by large companies, you'll feel like Bitcoin is more > decentralised than ever? (n.b. I do not think this situation will > ever happen, it's just an example). > Something you said about "power concentrated," made me think I should post this here: https://twitter.com/adam3us/status/608920099609817088 - -- http://abis.io ~ "a protocol concept to enable decentralization and expansion of a giving economy, and a new social good" https://keybase.io/odinn -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1 iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJVe8gvAAoJEGxwq/inSG8CcykH/0d+WuPnzFWooCRJR+FwaI4w Ad0z5GSLfYKGnmMMbbqkLsIA2GsfRAvivrsfZYd4slF5C7HEDGa3J/NC72U46dk6 qVm07UNBO3V+loLJtStIQQkg3tVGWjXeiySf4E4b8wlaZiBMS9WW0sAOWUJiGMDQ jKNRpjXobkQGd8C+VJXDpgtmiY60bS4l6j7bbYv+mU6LxhLwCVCqjRJSEN08BH4E AOwJg1qlORHPnrepfeJrB6TVxeHuLjCjWodXQ0jHbNchVQw7zc81gKrD40BJTzyO TTtGPu3JUkcHtx7MVLbIdYNVElqxMS5Li+j9j3h+m9eGSaNgOOl3+8VGJexKPKI= =j5Fh -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----