From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (smtp1.linux-foundation.org [172.17.192.35]) by mail.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7229D8EB for ; Tue, 4 Aug 2015 14:43:14 +0000 (UTC) X-Greylist: from auto-whitelisted by SQLgrey-1.7.6 Received: from mail.bihthai.net (unknown [5.255.87.165]) by smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 20AEE1EF for ; Tue, 4 Aug 2015 14:43:12 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [10.8.0.6] (unknown [10.8.0.6]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: venzen) by mail.bihthai.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 1085320E0A; Tue, 4 Aug 2015 16:44:58 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <55C0CF79.9020605@mail.bihthai.net> Date: Tue, 04 Aug 2015 21:43:05 +0700 From: Venzen Khaosan Reply-To: venzen@mail.bihthai.net Organization: Bihthai Bai Mai User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Gavin Andresen , Bitcoin Dev References: <55C0CC90.9040903@mail.bihthai.net> In-Reply-To: <55C0CC90.9040903@mail.bihthai.net> OpenPGP: id=1CF07D66; url=pool.sks-keyservers.net X-Forwarded-Message-Id: <55C0CC90.9040903@mail.bihthai.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.1 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,RDNS_NONE autolearn=no version=3.3.1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on smtp1.linux-foundation.org Subject: [bitcoin-dev] Fwd: Re: Block size following technological growth X-BeenThere: bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Bitcoin Development Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 04 Aug 2015 14:43:14 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 correction: My finance readers, in one camp, and Bitcoin investors, in the other, want to see the XT 8MB hard-fork testing data that you mentioned for BIP101 (not 100). - -------- Forwarded Message -------- Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] Block size following technological growth Date: Tue, 04 Aug 2015 21:30:40 +0700 From: Venzen Khaosan via bitcoin-dev Reply-To: venzen@mail.bihthai.net Organization: Bihthai Bai Mai To: Gavin Andresen , Bitcoin Dev On 08/04/2015 08:12 PM, Gavin Andresen via bitcoin-dev wrote: > On Tue, Aug 4, 2015 at 7:27 AM, Pieter Wuille via bitcoin-dev > > wrote: > > I would say that things already demonstrately got terrible. The > mining landscape is very centralized, with apparently a majority > depending on agreements to trust each other's announced blocks > without validation. > > And that is a problem... why? > > As far as I can tell, [snip] It's a big problem. What are you dismissing it for? With Bitcoin in fledgling 0.x version state this is neither desirable nor encouraging. Development did not freeze at some time in the past and now we see how the userbase reacts. Miners, btw, are arguibly still a class of user as long as they are guaranteed coinbase. When they start making and proving themselves useful in a free floating fee market absent coinbase subsidy, we can revisit this topic, with the benefit of hindsight. > As Bitcoin grows, pieces of the ecosystem will specialize. > Satoshi's original code did everything: hashing, block assembly, > wallet, consensus, network. That is changing, and that is OK. [snip] > > And I think the current "demonstrably terrible" Bitcoin system is > still INCREDIBLY interesting. > Pieter never said it wasn't interesting, so this emphatic statement is strange - like someone is trying to convince an audience - but anyway... as you, a veritable spring-chicken by your actions and words, said the other day: having graduated in '88 you're "old" and speak from experience. Don't come with that jive, bossy man - bring facts and testing to the technical list. My finance readers, in one camp, and Bitcoin investors, in the other, want to see the XT 8MB hard-fork testing data that you mentioned for BIP100. "Being ignorant is not so much a shame, as being unwilling to learn." - - Benjamin Franklin > -- -- Gavin Andresen > Venzen Khaosan _______________________________________________ bitcoin-dev mailing list bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-dev -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1 iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJVwM93AAoJEGwAhlQc8H1mwcEH/RwxpWyvjlWBrPok5GNRed+/ 8O46a4G1T6+Y2+yKWDFQTqG0D2oFEqunHW1A+e7UYABrhijbr1Xwpv0Y//VSuY3p TnRXPj3+q3j4BdB607y5i0jCo61G4IrXaCUEHpBMzrD5T7SMDC1a31FLgAjx9WDM etKmT9doWn9aiWzxAl/q8SEY4M04RLyS5kijs95M9YMGp1KVw2jNDfJM37EhPDu2 qDUMQEvcq0qTPCeHn6tCaXC0rWzIpylE6Xaso3VMepmbdzf0Dea92asBmmE0ygsW Tcfx95UWW+Bb/h2JEO3TCjKpLCwdfiWP/2eXIMKkcdSJIVf/yE32gIxzqPx5ogU= =BwgG -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----