From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (smtp1.linux-foundation.org [172.17.192.35]) by mail.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8894B9A for ; Wed, 19 Aug 2015 23:37:24 +0000 (UTC) X-Greylist: whitelisted by SQLgrey-1.7.6 Received: from mail-pa0-f48.google.com (mail-pa0-f48.google.com [209.85.220.48]) by smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 11B7AF2 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 2015 23:37:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: by paccq16 with SMTP id cq16so13302826pac.1 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 2015 16:37:23 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to :cc:subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=GZ2bDinRLc8b0KqBruOpxhtPNPoOwXU2LBfufzyxQLw=; b=W8HjOur7ohTyyqFxyuKDrzqzGpidFnwdXOcx8ljMPhvZRwyTBDMipSuEtqoOIDCfGE WvYF1ZXZubPSqTGSf2xXBxc2CDbs3xY/f/C/Zp3bYeUzVJicrjRbKUfiQNii+9Qc6l2z 21gdPXSMk6ncjK4HIjaqyq96CTDyS+3+ml0IbaVLLPFLRUHxMcgiiOXzILM8QRpErUA0 9Rf8Aq//NHDAi35Ed7jxW9rcqTAIQ9UF0oRoJ16HneeYEc0KC8GnzDNmEWfI1cquo3ve p8295bAUXMWaTpAmfeaCDHOc7cO1MT3IcO6D5xpuXEsTZ3GnCxl8qqn4AIgFEtSNZQcI g8IA== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQnwhGup10GZv/TR67Mc8p62VTrl+OK3wntspSFKTe597HX3VUzZM8Aeh5S7oMnKEXp00W+5 X-Received: by 10.68.68.198 with SMTP id y6mr302806pbt.30.1440027443648; Wed, 19 Aug 2015 16:37:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.15.230] (199-83-220-245.PUBLIC.monkeybrains.net. [199.83.220.245]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id qp13sm2102335pbb.9.2015.08.19.16.37.17 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 19 Aug 2015 16:37:17 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <55D5132D.1070801@bitcartel.com> Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2015 16:37:17 -0700 From: Simon Liu User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Peter Todd References: <55D4BB58.1060106@bitcartel.com> <20150819181330.GA12306@muck> In-Reply-To: <20150819181330.GA12306@muck> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW autolearn=ham version=3.3.1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on smtp1.linux-foundation.org Cc: Bitcoin Dev Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] Bitcoin XT Fork X-BeenThere: bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Bitcoin Development Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2015 23:37:24 -0000 Yes, you're right, the Bitcoin Foundation is facing many challenges, but that's an entirely different discussion. The question in hand is this: was the request to remove Gavin made by an individual of their own volition, reflecting their own personal opinion, or was it made on behalf of the company? If the latter, it would imply that compromise is unlikely to be reached and thus the ecosystem should start planning immediately for the potential hard fork, rather than waiting and hoping for things to be resolved. On 08/19/2015 11:13 AM, Peter Todd wrote: > On Wed, Aug 19, 2015 at 10:22:32AM -0700, Simon Liu via bitcoin-dev wrote: >> Olivier Janssens claims that one of your colleagues is asking for Gavin >> to be removed from his position. Is this true? >> >> https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3hksre/blockstream_employee_asking_to_remove_gavin_from/?sort=confidence >> >> http://pastebin.com/q2TT58Z5 > > IMO that's a very reasonable request; lately I've spent a lot of time > having to educate journalists on how Bitcoin doesn't have a "chief > scientist" with any kind of authority. Having Gavin Andresen in that > position at the otherwise inactive and bankrupt Bitcoin Foundation > misleads the public about the true nature of how Bitcoin operates, > giving a misleading impression that it has the same centralized decision > making as conventional financial systems do. Among other things, this > harms the reputation of Bitcoin as a whole as it can confuse the public > into thinking there aren't major differences between Bitcoin and those > conventional financial systems. > > As the email said "Regardless of your personal view on XT this is bad > for bitcoin." - a statement I agree with 100% >