From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (smtp1.linux-foundation.org [172.17.192.35]) by mail.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A7DE38E3 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 2015 03:01:42 +0000 (UTC) X-Greylist: domain auto-whitelisted by SQLgrey-1.7.6 Received: from mx1.riseup.net (mx1.riseup.net [198.252.153.129]) by smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 18E4C1F5 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 2015 03:01:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: from piha.riseup.net (unknown [10.0.1.162]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "*.riseup.net", Issuer "COMODO RSA Domain Validation Secure Server CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.riseup.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 66396C1564; Thu, 20 Aug 2015 20:01:41 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=riseup.net; s=squak; t=1440126101; bh=rz0agBb6/6j4ScZzUY6sKIFIyz0oYob0lEjP6+MRLsI=; h=Date:From:To:CC:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:From; b=SAPie3yF+iUHVc4JhatiouY2q82nvEdL5eVNTiaCwrVC2axJCMcoOfYWJfJEqh97j tYjE8a0fAGENXCXuwN2F/CCgMZ0kp7I917ua7jANg1lYlrhcWb7z/So89Yabm/nI2J lE3J+3Fy6KjdkTA4BUpCNSfms7NOa9SqZ0lFXbJM= Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) (Authenticated sender: odinn.cyberguerrilla) with ESMTPSA id E1FA2140C9E Message-ID: <55D69494.2080906@riseup.net> Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2015 20:01:40 -0700 From: odinn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Peter Todd , Mike Hearn References: <20150820091334.GA5448@muck> In-Reply-To: <20150820091334.GA5448@muck> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.98.7 at mx1.riseup.net X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.3 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID, DKIM_VALID_AU, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, RP_MATCHES_RCVD, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY autolearn=ham version=3.3.1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on smtp1.linux-foundation.org Cc: Bitcoin Dev Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] Bitcoin XT Fork X-BeenThere: bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Bitcoin Development Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2015 03:01:42 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Bitcoin XT isn't technically an implementation of BIP 101. It's really just an attack on the bitcoin network, not a whole different than any of a variety of attacks one could perform on the network. Facts are as follows. The published implementation of BIP 101 is shown on the BIP 101 page: https://github.com/bitcoin/bips/blob/master/bip-0101.mediawiki at: https://github.com/bitcoin/bips/blob/master/bip-0101.mediawiki#Implement ation The only text in the Implementation section is the following link: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/6341 Which is closed by Gavin. I am wondering why this drama continues, sort of stunned (but not surprised) by Hearn's XT-hyping, bitcoin-attacking behavior and crazed, delusional attitude, and hoping that consensus will be reached on something - by something, I mean one of the following as shown at http://bipsxdevs.azurewebsites.net/ - well before XT achieves its goals. By the way, since http://bipsxdevs.azurewebsites.net/ doesn't yet appear to have any developers' signatures on it (except for luke-jr), I'd like to take a moment to ask the developers if you could please visit that site and put your signatures to it. (Thanks to luke-jr for being the first one.) - - O On 08/20/2015 02:13 AM, Peter Todd via bitcoin-dev wrote: > On Thu, Aug 20, 2015 at 11:00:14AM +0200, Mike Hearn via > bitcoin-dev wrote: >>> >>> It is just that no one else is reckless enough to bypass the >>> review process >> >> >> I keep seeing this notion crop up. >> >> I want to kill this idea right now: >> >> - There were months of public discussion leading to up the >> authoring of BIP 101, both on this mailing list and elsewhere. >> >> - BIP 101 was submitted for review via the normal process. Jeff >> Garzik specifically called Gavin out on Twitter and thanked him >> for following the process: >> >> https://twitter.com/jgarzik/status/614412097359708160 >> >> https://github.com/bitcoin/bips/pull/163 >> >> As you can see, other than a few minor typo fixes and a comment >> by sipa, there was no other review offered. >> >> - The implementation for BIP 101 was submitted to Bitcoin Core as >> a pull request, to invoke the code review process: >> >> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/6341 >> >> Some minor code layout suggestions were made by Cory and >> incorporated. Peter popped up to say there was no chance it'd >> ever be accepted ..... and no further review was done. > > No, I said there was no chance it'd be accepted "due to a number > of BIP-level issues in addition to debate about the patch itself. > For instance, Gavin has never given any details about testing; at > minimum we'd need a BIP16 style quality assurance document. We also > frown on writing software with building expiration dates, let alone > expiration dates that trigger non-deterministically. (Note how my > recently merged CLTV considered the year 2038 problem to avoid > needing a hard fork at that date)" > > Of course no further review was done - issues were identified and > they didn't get fixed. Why would we do further review on something > that was broken whose author wasn't interested in fixing even > non-controversial and obvious problems? > > The process is to do review, fix issues identified, and repeat > until all issues are fixed. > > > > _______________________________________________ bitcoin-dev mailing > list bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org > https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-dev > - -- http://abis.io ~ "a protocol concept to enable decentralization and expansion of a giving economy, and a new social good" https://keybase.io/odinn -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1 iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJV1pSTAAoJEGxwq/inSG8Css4IAMDPeUGm0hmScg1a2vDh+Vob oeMGzwNfJngzFYpjvc+Wg+BnSTJBTWuc/lAm1Y4Rrdra6/o8CmYx9HERKFzaMszm gZ0JQGsB7F7FPBwcLpXW+GI2mZz+orQoDXYB38ICF5arBIL95EyjNxEIcWR7Yb3+ XHsEFSlcxSKtF2UzkZHH10VALD7exveXAfdCNFSh/C1lcS+MqrhNjQ7Cal2BdJt3 Rnz7snTOYYb7hlTphEzHMA/9ftLIaQoNJZcVKg//5xgouc+C1S29St0pnTW6dsOD p+VAfTnXb+PCSVl3mK8twEx2YqINK8IbK3DsnjXk/+zNZPyEa5wqnntZTI/0eSg= =nakV -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----