From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (smtp1.linux-foundation.org [172.17.192.35]) by mail.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BE226982 for ; Sun, 20 Sep 2015 21:24:44 +0000 (UTC) X-Greylist: from auto-whitelisted by SQLgrey-1.7.6 Received: from mail.help.org (mail.help.org [70.90.2.18]) by smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 31F9D38B for ; Sun, 20 Sep 2015 21:24:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [10.1.10.25] (B [10.1.10.25]) by mail.help.org with ESMTPA ; Sun, 20 Sep 2015 17:24:37 -0400 To: bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org References: <55F9E47D.50507@mattcorallo.com> <55FC6EBF.9090504@mattcorallo.com> <20150919014710.GD22598@muck> <20150919060639.A775A404B9@smtp.hushmail.com> <55FD0737.1080008@voskuil.org> <20150919072714.D3349404B9@smtp.hushmail.com> <55FD1122.5030107@voskuil.org> <20150919075758.820CC404B9@smtp.hushmail.com> <55FD225B.1050402@voskuil.org> <55FDD951.9010709@gmail.com> <20150920162140.8B00D404BA@smtp.hushmail.com> <55FEE015.6000506@bitcoins.info> <20150920211047.C40FD404BA@smtp.hushmail.com> From: Milly Bitcoin Message-ID: <55FF2418.8010205@bitcoins.info> Date: Sun, 20 Sep 2015 17:24:40 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.3; WOW64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20150920211047.C40FD404BA@smtp.hushmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.3.1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on smtp1.linux-foundation.org Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] Scaling Bitcoin conference micro-report X-BeenThere: bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Bitcoin Development Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 20 Sep 2015 21:24:44 -0000 Threat models can be developed for things like threats from governments. The idea in developing a model is to put in the context of other possible threats. For example, someone with a few million to burn can easily crash the exchange rate or buy a couple core developers much easier and cheaper than doing a 51% attack. These attacks can be done by governments and non-governments alike. The people who consider threats from government and think everyone associated with Bitcoin is somehow "pure" are irrational cultists who have no business discussing threat models in the first place. Russ On 9/20/2015 5:10 PM, NxtChg via bitcoin-dev wrote: > >> Anyone who doesn't consider governments the proper threat model is either a shill or an idiot. > > You meant to say "threat". This is what threat model is: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Threat_model > > Nobody here discounts governments as a threat. > > As to the "proper threat model", you can't construct one since your attacker is essentially unbounded. > > For example, any large government could easily obtain 51% of hash power and then only accept transactions from "certified services". > > _______________________________________________ > bitcoin-dev mailing list > bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org > https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-dev >