From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (smtp1.linux-foundation.org [172.17.192.35]) by mail.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 942C21B51 for ; Mon, 28 Sep 2015 21:12:14 +0000 (UTC) X-Greylist: domain auto-whitelisted by SQLgrey-1.7.6 Received: from mx1.riseup.net (mx1.riseup.net [198.252.153.129]) by smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C8B58201 for ; Mon, 28 Sep 2015 21:12:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: from piha.riseup.net (unknown [10.0.1.162]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "*.riseup.net", Issuer "COMODO RSA Domain Validation Secure Server CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.riseup.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 44B8BC1DF1; Mon, 28 Sep 2015 14:12:13 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=riseup.net; s=squak; t=1443474733; bh=QrOzZa0Spm04dufzlCIfurI92lPLehqzdH8wVdvAN54=; h=Date:From:To:CC:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:From; b=ldXcAeVzmD1xdhQphq7/08rDXkEMkwuWQcSDS1y3ZsfFvs5nFC/VayNdmOMXLiBin KRMSTL/sjaxQoV7JMMHSXi8baoynSDRTAaVmtBXw9p7aER2YibVbPbz3xctljDo9KV ntu6G370b+NAGSK9qY5WFgEqJeXXIPgJaaG+xHhI= Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) (Authenticated sender: odinn.cyberguerrilla) with ESMTPSA id 31C0414139C Message-ID: <5609AD23.4070305@riseup.net> Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2015 21:12:03 +0000 From: odinn MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Adam Back , pete@petertodd.org, genjix@riseup.net, Mike Hearn References: <20150927185031.GA20599@savin.petertodd.org> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.98.7 at mx1.riseup.net X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.7 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY autolearn=ham version=3.3.1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on smtp1.linux-foundation.org Cc: Bitcoin Dev Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] Let's deploy BIP65 CHECKLOCKTIMEVERIFY! X-BeenThere: bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Bitcoin Development Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2015 21:12:14 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA512 And still no movement on BIP 63... https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1083961.20 Apart from that, All my prior objections to XT still hold as expressed on this list. XT is not acceptable. On the topic of consensus: Reaching consensus, I hope, is something that developers can accomplish by refining and adjusting the BIPS and coming to agreement upon them. This should be something that can be done in a few months time, before the end of the year. Cheers, - - O Adam Back via bitcoin-dev: > I wonder what Gavin's views are, he's usually constructive, and see > if he'll include it in XT - I think he may have said he was > supportive. > > The rationale for soft vs hard-forks is well known, so I wont go > over them. > > Adam > > > On 28 September 2015 at 06:48, Mike Hearn via bitcoin-dev > wrote: >> There is no consensus on using a soft fork to deploy this >> feature. It will result in the same problems as all the other >> soft forks - SPV wallets will become less reliable during the >> rollout period. I am against that, as it's entirely avoidable. >> >> Make it a hard fork and my objection will be dropped. >> >> Until then, as there is no consensus, you need to do one of two >> things: >> >> 1) Drop the "everyone must agree to make changes" idea that >> people here like to peddle, and do it loudly, so everyone in the >> community is correctly informed >> >> 2) Do nothing >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ bitcoin-dev >> mailing list bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org >> https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-dev >> > _______________________________________________ bitcoin-dev mailing > list bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org > https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-dev > - -- http://abis.io ~ "a protocol concept to enable decentralization and expansion of a giving economy, and a new social good" https://keybase.io/odinn -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQEcBAEBCgAGBQJWCa0jAAoJEGxwq/inSG8CuCUIALiRt6cE3b+9f+l9m6aMTjIR vTEIM/7B4dIZW9eatXmkxyd44uz5YoN93SlZtV62c90HCqqpFRBCfyXRyXzQ11E7 0i70or5LnWDOqrD1bSsCEdrQxPIpAQnv101UHe3iyn/uHAVBiz/HfqvGMruNt0r1 4sMecp+LedWpy6/p9c6iMHV1rhtYRfmRfJHj+9KlSn+in5PQKx2kieWqpfqjmlNs J/UNoLvRuF0YxDcqEdp2BAaI0s+NyXBo3YDi4R77U9YPRj/cYuWHh/yPKAvFW+2K 0d9NNuKSKEY/m4uW3ghPEJL7OxlGbOoNWFS3kcKYr+BanfsPTov7yHQhBuRBRPw= =hd0W -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----