From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (smtp1.linux-foundation.org [172.17.192.35]) by mail.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C2AD31472 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 2015 18:23:38 +0000 (UTC) X-Greylist: from auto-whitelisted by SQLgrey-1.7.6 Received: from mail.bihthai.net (unknown [5.255.87.244]) by smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4F12E2D4 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 2015 18:23:38 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [10.8.0.6] (unknown [10.8.0.6]) by mail.bihthai.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9D138070D; Tue, 6 Oct 2015 18:23:35 +0000 (UTC) Reply-To: venzen@mail.bihthai.net References: To: Mike Hearn , Bitcoin Dev From: Venzen Khaosan Openpgp: id=9BF4C669F5A36817CD2465186C0086541CF07D66; url=pool.sks-keyservers.net X-Enigmail-Draft-Status: N1110 Organization: Bihthai Bai Mai Message-ID: <561411A5.4020905@mail.bihthai.net> Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2015 01:23:33 +0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.1 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,RDNS_NONE autolearn=no version=3.3.1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on smtp1.linux-foundation.org Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] This thread is not about the soft/hard fork technical debate X-BeenThere: bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Bitcoin Development Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 06 Oct 2015 18:23:38 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Tell you what, eloquent guy... Give me 15 minutes in a public open mic session with you and i'll remove you from your high horse and close your voice in Bitcoin, for good. Guaranteed. You're too stupid for me to let you run loose with client funds and this great innovation. Anytime, anywhere. I'm ready to dismantle your intellectual bankruptcy in front of the world. I'll go for your psychological throat first. Sincerely, Venzen Khaosan. On 10/05/2015 11:56 PM, Mike Hearn via bitcoin-dev wrote: > Hey Sergio, > > To clarify: my /single/ objection is that CLTV should be a hard > fork. I haven't been raising never-ending technical objections, > there's only one. > > I /have/ been answering all the various reasons being brought up > why I'm wrong and soft forks are awesome .... and there do seem to > be a limitless number of such emails .... but on my side it's still > just a single objection. If CLTV is a hard fork then I won't be > objecting anymore, right? > > CLTV deployment is clearly controversial. Many developers other > than me have noted that hard forks are cleaner, and have other > desirable properties. I'm not the only one who sees a big question > mark over soft forks. > > As everyone in the Bitcoin community has been clearly told that > controversial changes to the consensus rules must not happen, it's > clear that CLTV cannot happen in its current form. > > Now I'll be frank - you are quite correct that I fully expect the > Core maintainers to ignore this controversy and do CLTV as a soft > fork anyway. I'm a cynic. I don't think "everyone must agree" is > workable and have said so from the start. Faced with a choice of > going back on their public statements or having to make changes to > something they clearly want, I expect them to redefine what "real > consensus" means. I hope I'm wrong, but if I'm not ..... well, at > least everyone will see what Gavin and I have been talking about > for so many months. > > But I'd rather the opcode is tweaked. There's real financial risks > to a soft fork. > > > _______________________________________________ bitcoin-dev mailing > list bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org > https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-dev > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJWFBGjAAoJEGwAhlQc8H1mn2cH/0pTx1C0FK8shPSPaC3xB6sA DpGTMrLWNai3i9VTwkUw8UvbqeL2QtZDghPdkDcvbmvOMc3UrOMQbc1eQ1eL6i3g DiUCqUShOIAIvWJXGPTPNBulWBW9VkgK0y3uOprTd5D0VWKpWvDj+DMNqHaAC2Ab JAfHx0mHlkTfrcBl30eAJWxoqG/ohu5QvTIP64AsK6w53qlbMcB13cES8mS/HJX9 MUtBcCbYRfF3Gu+OeYaEzzzXeuwsqql9qHr2wZYe9rECkSmYgL0DT5+WZiLY8B/x E3dFtufR7yAHr91/gj9itOKf+unumhduX8LY8ubuIKmuwjdj30MDdNy7fqZ3uGs= =lftV -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----