From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from sog-mx-3.v43.ch3.sourceforge.com ([172.29.43.193] helo=mx.sourceforge.net) by sfs-ml-1.v29.ch3.sourceforge.com with esmtp (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1Z5v0h-0002bX-Aw for bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net; Fri, 19 Jun 2015 12:03:03 +0000 Received-SPF: pass (sog-mx-3.v43.ch3.sourceforge.com: domain of gmail.com designates 209.85.220.52 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.220.52; envelope-from=elombrozo@gmail.com; helo=mail-pa0-f52.google.com; Received: from mail-pa0-f52.google.com ([209.85.220.52]) by sog-mx-3.v43.ch3.sourceforge.com with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) id 1Z5v0g-0000ga-75 for bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net; Fri, 19 Jun 2015 12:03:03 +0000 Received: by pabvl15 with SMTP id vl15so37952065pab.1 for ; Fri, 19 Jun 2015 05:02:56 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.70.15.1 with SMTP id t1mr30704710pdc.155.1434715376575; Fri, 19 Jun 2015 05:02:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.102] (cpe-76-167-237-202.san.res.rr.com. [76.167.237.202]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id j2sm3000610pdk.21.2015.06.19.05.02.54 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Fri, 19 Jun 2015 05:02:55 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 8.2 \(2098\)) Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_DF75524C-40F9-4526-AE81-4D9C60A51613"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha512 X-Pgp-Agent: GPGMail 2.5b6 From: Eric Lombrozo In-Reply-To: Date: Fri, 19 Jun 2015 05:02:40 -0700 Message-Id: <5A5E5791-2FD4-4544-90C2-4269050C5649@gmail.com> References: To: Dr Adam Back X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.2098) X-Spam-Score: -0.6 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam Filtering performed by mx.sourceforge.net. See http://spamassassin.org/tag/ for more details. -1.5 SPF_CHECK_PASS SPF reports sender host as permitted sender for sender-domain 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (elombrozo[at]gmail.com) -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 1.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message -0.1 DKIM_VALID_AU Message has a valid DKIM or DK signature from author's domain 0.1 DKIM_SIGNED Message has a DKIM or DK signature, not necessarily valid -0.1 DKIM_VALID Message has at least one valid DKIM or DK signature X-Headers-End: 1Z5v0g-0000ga-75 Cc: Bitcoin Dev Subject: Re: [Bitcoin-development] improving development model (Re: Concerns Regarding Threats by a Developer to Remove Commit Access from Other Developers X-BeenThere: bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 19 Jun 2015 12:03:03 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_DF75524C-40F9-4526-AE81-4D9C60A51613 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_6FFDFC56-7014-4967-BF7D-F43AC043C892" --Apple-Mail=_6FFDFC56-7014-4967-BF7D-F43AC043C892 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > On Jun 19, 2015, at 3:45 AM, Dr Adam Back > wrote: >=20 > That wont be good for the companies either, but they may not see that > until they've killed it, many companies operate on a1 or 2 year > time-horizon. They may say screw layer2, I have a runway and I need > micropayments to the wazoo and I dont have the dev resources for that. Exactly, Adam. Except, I think the genie is out of the bottle - these ideas are too = powerful for them to be killed forever. They will probably survive even = if this scenario comes to pass=E2=80=A6but in a different network under = a different name=E2=80=A6and Bitcoin will be relegated to the history = books and walls of museums. Most of the potential brainpower available on this Earth to make = serious, profound contributions to this movement haven=E2=80=99t even = begun to touch it. Just because you happen to run a Bitcoin startup = right now=E2=80=A6even if you=E2=80=99ve received millions of dollars in = funding=E2=80=A6don=E2=80=99t think that the whole world has low = standards and is lazy! Someone WILL eventually build something better = than we can presently imagine. First mover advantage and the network effect are vastly overrated. At = the risk of stating cliches, the Mac came before the Windows PC=E2=80=A6Ya= hoo! came before Google=E2=80=A6MySpace came before Facebook=E2=80=A6Bitco= in came before . - Eric Lombrozo --Apple-Mail=_6FFDFC56-7014-4967-BF7D-F43AC043C892 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8
On Jun 19, 2015, at 3:45 AM, Dr Adam Back <adam@cypherspace.org> wrote:

That wont be good for the companies either, but = they may not see that
until they've killed it, = many companies operate on a1 or 2 year
time-horizon.  They may say screw layer2, I = have a runway and I need
micropayments to the wazoo = and I dont have the dev resources for = that.

Exactly, Adam.

Except, I think the genie is out of the bottle - these ideas = are too powerful for them to be killed forever. They will probably = survive even if this scenario comes to pass=E2=80=A6but in a different = network under a different name=E2=80=A6and Bitcoin will be relegated to = the history books and walls of museums.

Most of the potential brainpower = available on this Earth to make serious, profound contributions to this = movement haven=E2=80=99t even begun to touch it. Just because you happen = to run a Bitcoin startup right now=E2=80=A6even if you=E2=80=99ve = received millions of dollars in funding=E2=80=A6don=E2=80=99t think that = the whole world has low standards and is lazy! Someone WILL eventually = build something better than we can presently imagine.

First mover advantage = and the network effect are vastly overrated. At the risk of stating = cliches, the Mac came before the Windows PC=E2=80=A6Yahoo! came before = Google=E2=80=A6MySpace came before Facebook=E2=80=A6Bitcoin came before = <we don=E2=80=99t know yet>.


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