From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from smtp4.osuosl.org (smtp4.osuosl.org [140.211.166.137]) by lists.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93426C0037 for ; Tue, 2 Jan 2024 16:30:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp4.osuosl.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50BD841528 for ; Tue, 2 Jan 2024 16:30:17 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Filter: OpenDKIM Filter v2.11.0 smtp4.osuosl.org 50BD841528 Authentication-Results: smtp4.osuosl.org; dkim=pass (2048-bit key, unprotected) header.d=breen.xyz header.i=@breen.xyz header.a=rsa-sha256 header.s=sig1 header.b=WYvcK/7u X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at osuosl.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.298 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.298 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FROM_SUSPICIOUS_NTLD=0.499, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MIME_QP_LONG_LINE=0.001, PDS_OTHER_BAD_TLD=1.999, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Received: from smtp4.osuosl.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp4.osuosl.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id tTSx5e7Cc3OJ for ; Tue, 2 Jan 2024 16:30:16 +0000 (UTC) X-Greylist: delayed 357 seconds by postgrey-1.37 at util1.osuosl.org; Tue, 02 Jan 2024 16:30:16 UTC DKIM-Filter: OpenDKIM Filter v2.11.0 smtp4.osuosl.org 48FD941488 Received: from st43p00im-ztfb10063301.me.com (st43p00im-ztfb10063301.me.com [17.58.63.179]) by smtp4.osuosl.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 48FD941488 for ; Tue, 2 Jan 2024 16:30:16 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=breen.xyz; s=sig1; t=1704212658; bh=mp4NFIB3A4qPx5MyQ0xyv+aTEJcg0TCcAKuElCs2qG4=; h=Content-Type:From:Mime-Version:Subject:Date:Message-Id:To; b=WYvcK/7uGp4I7TzmEmChRWaUtBchTbsBAg8ei4OEvi4+/IJoHnY8cCbrfhZ4uzXCc /EnEqzy5xMeWZ2Fp0zoZc33VDL+FFalQH4paI+sgBJjJAq5NO/vh44MKYqhi0QTT// AhgjpaA/Oovl3Zq3lfNP9KTl4mDRVumlTXkxlgPNxVBHjbsbngcjlQUErxYQYkfNE/ zTgp1HWyRLglKKqokngMK4G3ETJPAhIEBz10U3GLKJ/adVGwN9xFnPnwCwwRKLaVag ZwuumnTZj5T0IaJixVjn9CcjHUydxvDwfSt6y8rpSeiuz8LLfgnwMfN9XRaorJ8EhY B2hgnAuK0rI1w== Received: from smtpclient.apple (st43p00im-dlb-asmtp-mailmevip.me.com [17.42.251.41]) by st43p00im-ztfb10063301.me.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id C3443700A16; Tue, 2 Jan 2024 16:24:17 +0000 (UTC) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-4AB29EF3-859C-4240-8AAE-8C045A8DFA40 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Ryan Breen Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2024 11:24:06 -0500 Message-Id: <5E185ABF-9F36-427D-B30D-D1E26D198469@breen.xyz> References: In-Reply-To: To: Michael Folkson , Bitcoin Protocol Discussion X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (21C66) X-Proofpoint-ORIG-GUID: AeSeDAmR4bg3pR2NGuwJfQup7JDeMo4i X-Proofpoint-GUID: AeSeDAmR4bg3pR2NGuwJfQup7JDeMo4i X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=baseguard engine=ICAP:2.0.272,Aquarius:18.0.997,Hydra:6.0.619,FMLib:17.11.176.26 definitions=2024-01-02_05,2024-01-02_01,2023-05-22_02 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 mlxscore=0 spamscore=0 adultscore=0 suspectscore=0 malwarescore=0 bulkscore=0 clxscore=1030 mlxlogscore=927 phishscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.19.0-2308100000 definitions=main-2401020124 X-Mailman-Approved-At: Wed, 03 Jan 2024 16:20:16 +0000 Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] Swift Activation - CTV X-BeenThere: bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Bitcoin Protocol Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 Jan 2024 16:30:17 -0000 --Apple-Mail-4AB29EF3-859C-4240-8AAE-8C045A8DFA40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > On Jan 2, 2024, at 10:50=E2=80=AFAM, Michael Folkson via bitcoin-dev wrote: >=20 > Your knowledge is incorrect. As far as I know in the getting on for 2 year= s since the first CTV activation talk/attempt literally no one has built out= a CTV use case and demonstrated it on signet with the possible exception of= James O'Beirne's OP_VAULT which requires other new opcodes in addition to C= TV. I wish this wasn't the case. It is pitiful that we have these individual= s (such as yourself) that are so convinced CTV should be activated but refus= e to address any concerns raised by others and refuse to work on any of the s= peculated use cases, instead choosing to just beat the activation drum over a= nd over again. James O=E2=80=99Beirne built a CTV-only vault prototype[1], actually. Jeremy= Rubin also built vaults and many other prototypes with his Sapio smart cont= racting language.[2] So this assertion that CTV has had no use cases or prototypes built out for i= t is just not true. [1]: https://github.com/jamesob/simple-ctv-vault [2]: https://github.com/sapio-lang/sapio= --Apple-Mail-4AB29EF3-859C-4240-8AAE-8C045A8DFA40 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

On Jan 2, 2024, at 10:= 50=E2=80=AFAM, Michael Folkson via bitcoin-dev <bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfo= undation.org> wrote:

Your know= ledge is incorrect. As far as I know in the getting on for 2 years since the= first CTV activation talk/attempt literally no one has built out a CTV use c= ase and demonstrated it on signet with the possible exception of James O'Bei= rne's OP_VAULT which requires other new opcodes in addition to CTV. I wish t= his wasn't the case. It is pitiful that we have these individuals (such as y= ourself) that are so convinced CTV should be activated but refuse to address= any concerns raised by others and refuse to work on any of the speculated u= se cases, instead choosing to just beat the activation drum over and over ag= ain.

James O=E2=80=99Beirne built a C= TV-only vault prototype[1], actually. Jeremy Rubin also built vaults and man= y other prototypes with his Sapio smart contracting language.[2]
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So this assertion that CTV has had no use cases or prototypes b= uilt out for it is just not true.

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