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[2620:6e:a000:1::99]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id q142-20020a632a94000000b005dc851134acsi693970pgq.1.2024.04.15.10.50.59 for (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Mon, 15 Apr 2024 10:50:59 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of lf-lists@mattcorallo.com designates 2620:6e:a000:1::99 as permitted sender) client-ip=2620:6e:a000:1::99; X-DKIM-Note: Keys used to sign are likely public at X-DKIM-Note: https://as397444.net/dkim/mattcorallo.com and X-DKIM-Note: https://as397444.net/dkim/clients.mail.as397444.net X-DKIM-Note: For more info, see https://as397444.net/dkim/ Received: by mail.as397444.net with esmtpsa (TLS1.3) (Exim) (envelope-from ) id 1rwQTp-001suc-2E; Mon, 15 Apr 2024 17:50:57 +0000 Message-ID: <64ca2432-c2fc-436f-9ea0-4dd961d4d927@mattcorallo.com> Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2024 13:50:55 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [bitcoindev] Re: Adding New BIP Editors To: Sergi Delgado Segura , nvk Cc: Bitcoin Development Mailing List References: <2092f7ff-4860-47f8-ba1a-c9d97927551e@achow101.com> <9288df7b-f2e9-4106-b843-c1ff8f8a62a3@dashjr.org> <42e6c1d1d39d811e2fe7c4c5ce6e09c705bd3dbb.camel@timruffing.de> <52a0d792-d99f-4360-ba34-0b12de183fef@murch.one> <84309c3f-e848-d333-fd28-bdd55899b713@netpurgatory.com> <9baa15e4-062d-478f-8c87-8ff19ab79989@murch.one> <4c1462b7-ea1c-4a36-be81-7c3719157fabn@googlegroups.com> <6806b22d-043d-4201-841a-95e17cd8d542@mattcorallo.com> <77554baa9330c57361c65c1fc85557f1@dtrt.org> <7b4e2223-0b96-4ca0-a441-aebcfc7b0bben@googlegroups.com> Content-Language: en-US From: Matt Corallo In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Original-Sender: lf-lists@mattcorallo.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; dkim=pass header.i=@mattcorallo.com header.s=1713201662 header.b=ZD8H2m5I; dkim=pass header.i=@clients.mail.as397444.net header.s=1713201664 header.b="Uosg/BZE"; spf=pass (google.com: domain of lf-lists@mattcorallo.com designates 2620:6e:a000:1::99 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=lf-lists@mattcorallo.com; dmarc=pass (p=NONE sp=REJECT dis=NONE) header.from=mattcorallo.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list bitcoindev@googlegroups.com; contact bitcoindev+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 786775582512 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , X-Spam-Score: -0.8 (/) Strongly agree with Sergi here, I'd suggest 2-3 BIP editors who are actually responsible for things is more= useful than 5 BIP=20 editors where no one is responsible for anything. Again, I'm not convinced dumping this on more people is useful, folks like = Roasbeef are great but=20 clearly don't have time to keep up with yet more things, and not sure why f= olks are on the list here=20 who haven't been active on the Bitcoin-dev ML and in BIPs for many years (e= g no idea who Seccour is). Matt On 4/11/24 10:22 AM, Sergi Delgado Segura wrote: > > I would prefer having more (9+?) than less folks on this task, so pers= onal preferences are easily=20 > ignored and overwritten by the group majority. >=20 > I disagree with that, the more doesn't really the better here. Having too= many editors may result in=20 > a tragedy of the commons, in which people just commit to the job because = many others do, and they do=20 > not end up doing as much because they expect others to do the it. This do= es not only make the=20 > process look bad but may burnout the ones that end up doing the job, give= n their time commitment=20 > ends up being too far from their expectations. >=20 > I think being more moderate with the amount of people is better, and give= s us leeway in case the=20 > workload ends up being excessive and we need to add more people (plus dis= courage people from joining=20 > and slacking off). >=20 > I think 3 more people should be a good number to start from. I'd personal= ly vouch for Murch,=20 > Kanzure, and Ruben based on their track record in the space >=20 > On Tue, Apr 2, 2024 at 4:30=E2=80=AFPM nvk > wrote: >=20 > +1 for > Kanzure > RubenSomsen > Seccour > Jon Atack > Roasbeef >=20 > I would prefer having more (9+?) than less folks on this task, so persona= l preferences are > easily ignored and overwritten by the group majority. >=20 > BIPs were intended as a means to collect ideas, not enforce ideas. >=20 > I'd like to return to that. >=20 > - NVK (temp gmail account) >=20 > On Monday, April 1, 2024 at 5:16:54=E2=80=AFPM UTC-4 David A. Harding= wrote: >=20 > On 2024-03-28 10:04, Matt Corallo wrote: > > Please provide justification rather than simply saying "I like= Bob!". >=20 > Using only comments from the mailing list, the following appears = to be > the candidate list along with the current support. Asterisks deno= te > candidates who indicated their willingness to accept the role. >=20 > - Bryan "Kanzure" Bishop, recommended by Ava Chow[1], Chris Stewa= rt[3], > Michael Folkson[6], Peter Todd[9], Matt Corallo[10], Brandon > Black[11], > Antoine Riard[12], Murch[13], Antoine Poinsot[15], John Carvalho[= 16] >=20 > - Ruben Somsen, recommended by Ava Chow[1], Chris Stewart[3], Mic= hael > Folkson[6], Antoine Riard[12], Murch[13], Antoine Poinsot[15], Jo= hn > Carvalho[16] >=20 > - Jon Atack*, recommended by Luke Dashjr[2], Chris Stewart[3], > /dev/fd0[5][7], > Brandon Black[11], Antoine Riard[12], Ava Chow[14], John Carvalho= [16] >=20 > - Olaoluwa "Roasbeef" Osuntokun, recommended by Chris Stewart[3],= John > C. Vernaleo[4], /dev/fd0[5][7], Keagan McClelland[8], Antoine > Riard[12], Ava Chow[14] >=20 > - Mark "Murch" Erhardt*, recommended by Michael Folkson[6], Keaga= n > McClelland[8], Matt Corallo[10], Brandon Black[11], Antoine Riard= [12], > Ava Chow[14] >=20 > - Michael Folkson* >=20 > Note: Luke Dashjr proposed[17] Seccour and Greg Tonoski for "non-= dev > triaging", Tonoski proposed himself[18] for "BIP editor", and Ant= oine > Riard[12] proposed Seccour for "decentralized PM". >=20 > I searched the BIPs repo by commenter to see if any of the above > candidates had been especially active there, which is listed belo= w as: > total PRs they commented on (number still open/number closed). >=20 > - 21 (1/20) commenter:kanzure > - 3 (2/1) commenter:rubensomsen > - 15 (0/15) commenter:jonatack > - 18 (2/16) commenter:roasbeef > - 10 (6/4) commenter:Murchandamus > - 57 (6/51) commenter:michaelfolkson >=20 > I'll also note that Osuntokun is the only member of the set to ha= ve a > merged BIP that they co-authored, although I believe there are fa= r-along > draft BIPs for both Murch (terminology) and Somsen (Silent Paymen= ts). I > don't think this should be a requirement, but I do think it demon= strates > familiarity with the process. >=20 > Speaking only for myself, I think all of the candidates above wit= h > multiple recommendations from other community participants are fu= lly > qualified for the role, so I'll only provide a detailed justifica= tion > for the person who would be my first pick: Murch is not only a > longstanding and broadly liked Bitcoin contributor, but (as Coral= lo > mentioned) he has worked on standardizing terminology through a d= raft > BIP. In addition, he provided an extremely detailed review of all= 300 > pages of a draft of Mastering Bitcoin (3rd edition) and has revie= wed > drafts of over 200 weekly Optech newsletters, in both cases > significantly improving the accuracy and comprehensibility of the > documentation. To me, that seems very similar to the work we'd as= k him > to perform as a BIPs editor and it's something that he's already = doing, > so I think there's an excellent fit of person to role. >=20 > -Dave >=20 > [1] > https://gnusha.org/pi/bitcoindev/2092f7ff-4860-47f8...@achow101.c= om/ > > [2] > https://gnusha.org/pi/bitcoindev/9288df7b-f2e9-4106...@dashjr.org= / > > [3] > https://gnusha.org/pi/bitcoindev/d1e7183c-30e6-4f1a...@googlegrou= ps.com/ > > [4] > https://gnusha.org/pi/bitcoindev/84309c3f-e848-d333...@netpurgato= ry.com/ > > [5] > https://gnusha.org/pi/bitcoindev/4c1462b7-ea1c-4a36...@googlegrou= ps.com/ > > [6] > https://gnusha.org/pi/bitcoindev/a116fba3-5948-48d2...@googlegrou= ps.com/ > > [7] > https://gnusha.org/pi/bitcoindev/846b668f-8386-4869...@googlegrou= ps.com/ > > [8] > https://gnusha.org/pi/bitcoindev/CALeFGL1-LKPWd7YRS110ut8tX=3Dwru= qgLEazRA5...@mail.gmail.com/ > > [9] https://gnusha.org/pi/bitcoindev/ZgePPvbf...@petertodd.org/ > > [10] > https://gnusha.org/pi/bitcoindev/f9435999-42df-46b5...@mattcorall= o.com/ > > [11] https://gnusha.org/pi/bitcoindev/ZgWRu32FXzqqg69V@console/ > > [12] > https://gnusha.org/pi/bitcoindev/CALZpt+E8DohYEJ9aO+FiF6+E...@mai= l.gmail.com/ > > [13] > https://gnusha.org/pi/bitcoindev/53a0015c-b76a-441a...@murch.one/ > > [14] > https://gnusha.org/pi/bitcoindev/ae482890-bce3-468f...@achow101.c= om/ > > [15] > https://gnusha.org/pi/bitcoindev/ppBS1tfMU3SFX85kmIBVBd0WpT5Wof_o= SBXsuizh7692AUDw2TojfvCqvcvlmsy9E69qfWMxK-UZWawf8IDApPqF7bXOH4gwU1c2jS4xojo= =3D@protonmail.com/ > [16] > https://gnusha.org/pi/bitcoindev/ad284018-e99c-4552...@googlegrou= ps.com/ > > [17] > https://gnusha.org/pi/bitcoindev/CAMHHROw9mZJRnTbUo76PdqwJU=3D=3D= YJMvd9Qrst+...@mail.gmail.com/ > >=20 > --=20 > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Gr= oups "Bitcoin Development > Mailing List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, sen= d an email to > bitcoindev+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com . > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/bitcoindev/7b4e2223-0b96-4ca0-a441-= aebcfc7b0bben%40googlegroups.com . >=20 >=20 >=20 > --=20 > Sergi. >=20 > --=20 > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups= "Bitcoin Development=20 > Mailing List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an= email to=20 > bitcoindev+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com . > To view this discussion on the web visit=20 > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/bitcoindev/CAEYHFxV_8_Jw61tysL_cV_xiXBc= RyA3e%3DCGHGuSCgm%2B-4WxT9w%40mail.gmail.com . --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= Bitcoin Development Mailing List" group. 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