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Thread-Index: AQHPUlWLuiBL8xE0LU+ca9FTZkvgD5sGTEGAgAACBgCAAB29AA== Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2014 17:39:37 +0000 Message-ID: <6D430188-CE00-44B1-BD8C-B623CF04D466@icloudtools.net> References: <5342C833.5030906@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: yes X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [68.108.69.81] x-forefront-prvs: 0174BD4BDA x-forefront-antispam-report: SFV:NSPM; SFS:(10009001)(6009001)(428001)(189002)(199002)(377454003)(51704005)(24454002)(74662001)(74706001)(47446002)(31966008)(15975445006)(87266001)(2656002)(81816001)(69226001)(81686001)(74366001)(80976001)(74502001)(76796001)(76786001)(77096001)(36756003)(87936001)(85306002)(74876001)(19580395003)(46102001)(66066001)(77982001)(47976001)(80022001)(92726001)(92566001)(59766001)(97186001)(94316002)(98676001)(20776003)(93136001)(53806001)(54356001)(76482001)(93516002)(47736001)(94946001)(95666003)(1411001)(83072002)(54316002)(33656001)(81342001)(63696002)(19580405001)(56776001)(95416001)(4396001)(97336001)(15202345003)(56816005)(85852003)(83716003)(79102001)(65816001)(90146001)(49866001)(83322001)(81542001)(82746002)(86362001)(50986001)(99396002); DIR:OUT; SFP:1101; SCL:1; SRVR:BLUPR07MB083; H:BLUPR07MB083.namprd07.prod.outlook.com; FPR:DD94F1A4.AFCEDBD1.41F16D87.C6FAE971.202D3; MLV:sfv; PTR:InfoNoRecords; MX:1; A:0; LANG:en; received-spf: None (: icloudtools.net does not designate permitted sender hosts) Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_C345DFD0-D847-4C4F-939C-9F42A3FF547E"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha512 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginatorOrg: icloudtools.net X-Spam-Score: -1.5 (-) X-Spam-Report: Spam Filtering performed by mx.sourceforge.net. See http://spamassassin.org/tag/ for more details. -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [207.46.163.190 listed in list.dnswl.org] -1.5 SPF_CHECK_PASS SPF reports sender host as permitted sender for sender-domain -0.0 SPF_HELO_PASS SPF: HELO matches SPF record -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record X-Headers-End: 1WXDkx-0001wN-SQ Cc: Bitcoin Development Subject: Re: [Bitcoin-development] Why are we bleeding nodes? X-BeenThere: bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 07 Apr 2014 17:54:54 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_C345DFD0-D847-4C4F-939C-9F42A3FF547E Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 I=92m afraid this is a highly simplistic view of the costs of running a = full node. My node consumes fantastic amounts of data traffic, which is a real = cost. In the 30 days ending Apri 6, my node: * Received 36.8 gb of data * Sent 456.5 gb data At my geographic service location (Singapore), this cost about $90 last = month for bandwidth alone. It would be slightly cheaper if I was hosted = in the US of course. But anyone can understand that moving a half-terrabyte of data around in = a month will not be cheap. On Apr 7, 2014, at 8:53 AM, Gregory Maxwell wrote: > On Mon, Apr 7, 2014 at 8:45 AM, Justus Ranvier = wrote: >> 1. The resource requirements of a full node are moving beyond the >> capabilities of casual users. This isn't inherently a problem - after >> all most people don't grow their own food, tailor their own clothes, = or >> keep blacksmith tools handy in to forge their own horseshoes either. >=20 > Right now running a full node consumes about $1 in disk space > non-reoccurring and costs a couple cents in power per month. >=20 > This isn't to say things are all ducky. But if you're going to say the > resource requirements are beyond the capabilities of casual users I'm > afraid I'm going to have to say: citation needed. >=20 > = --------------------------------------------------------------------------= ---- > Put Bad Developers to Shame > Dominate Development with Jenkins Continuous Integration > Continuously Automate Build, Test & Deployment=20 > Start a new project now. 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