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[76.167.237.202]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id qv3sm1801010pbb.78.2015.08.19.13.19.17 (version=TLS1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Wed, 19 Aug 2015 13:19:18 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 8.2 \(2098\)) Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_06E5C405-256F-43EB-8DE5-8E26658ED74B"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha512 X-Pgp-Agent: GPGMail 2.5 From: Eric Lombrozo In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2015 13:19:16 -0700 Message-Id: <6DB69CF6-A97C-4E9F-90BE-50DD24EE6113@gmail.com> References: To: Alex Morcos X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.2098) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.7 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,FREEMAIL_FROM,HTML_MESSAGE,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW autolearn=ham version=3.3.1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on smtp1.linux-foundation.org Cc: Bitcoin Dev Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] bitcoin-dev list etiquette X-BeenThere: bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Bitcoin Development Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2015 20:19:20 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_06E5C405-256F-43EB-8DE5-8E26658ED74B Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_2118547C-4E0F-4AAB-B3BE-053BC3123BB5" --Apple-Mail=_2118547C-4E0F-4AAB-B3BE-053BC3123BB5 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Those who are too smart to engage in politics are punished by being = governed by those who are dumber. - Plato > On Aug 19, 2015, at 1:11 PM, Eric Lombrozo > wrote: >=20 > Alex, >=20 > With all due respect, right now the biggest challenge facing Bitcoin = is not technical but political. I would love to see this list go back to = technical discussions, but unfortunately, until this political stuff is = resolved, even technical discussion is purely philosophical as there=E2=80= =99s little chance of actually making good progress on consensus=E2=80=A6w= hich in a space where everything depends on consensus pretty much makes = everything else moot. >=20 >> On Aug 19, 2015, at 1:08 PM, Alex Morcos via bitcoin-dev = > wrote: >>=20 >> This is a message that I wrote and had hoped that all the core devs = would sign on to, but I failed to finish organizing it. So I'll just = say it from myself. >>=20 >> There has been a valuable discussion over the last several months = regarding a hard fork with respect to block size. However the sheer = volume of email and proportion of discussion that is more philosophical = than technical has rendered this list almost unusable for its primary = purpose of technical discussion related to Bitcoin development. Many of = us share the blame for letting the discourse run off topic to such a = degree, and we hope that an appeal for individual self restraint will = allow this list to return to a higher signal-to-noise ratio. >> -Please consider the degree to which any email you send is related to = technical development before sending it. >> -Please consider how many emails you are sending to this list = regarding the same topic. >> This list is not appropriate for an endless back and forth debate on = the philosophical underpinnings of Bitcoin. Although such a debate may = be worthwhile it should be taken to another forum for discussion. Every = email you send is received by hundreds of developers who value their = time as much as you value yours. If your intended audience isn't really = the majority of them, perhaps private communication would be more = appropriate. >>=20 >> Thanks, >> Alex >>=20 >> _______________________________________________ >> bitcoin-dev mailing list >> bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org = >> https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-dev = >=20 --Apple-Mail=_2118547C-4E0F-4AAB-B3BE-053BC3123BB5 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8
Those who are too smart to engage in = politics are punished by being governed by those who are = dumber.
- Plato

On Aug 19, 2015, at 1:11 PM, = Eric Lombrozo <elombrozo@gmail.com> wrote:

Alex,

With all due respect, = right now the biggest challenge facing Bitcoin is not technical but = political. I would love to see this list go back to technical = discussions, but unfortunately, until this political stuff is resolved, = even technical discussion is purely philosophical as there=E2=80=99s = little chance of actually making good progress on consensus=E2=80=A6which = in a space where everything depends on consensus pretty much makes = everything else moot.

On Aug = 19, 2015, at 1:08 PM, Alex Morcos via bitcoin-dev <bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org> wrote:

This is a message that I wrote and had hoped that all the = core devs would sign on to, but I failed to finish organizing it.  = So I'll just say it from myself.

There = has been a valuable discussion over the last several months regarding a = hard fork with respect to block size.  However the sheer volume of = email and proportion of discussion that is more philosophical than = technical has rendered this list almost unusable for its primary purpose = of technical discussion related to Bitcoin development.  Many of us = share the blame for letting the discourse run off topic to such a = degree, and we hope that an appeal for individual self restraint will = allow this list to return to a higher signal-to-noise ratio.
-Please consider the = degree to which any email you send is related to technical development = before sending it.
-Please consider how many emails you are sending to this list = regarding the same topic.
This list is not appropriate for an endless back and forth = debate on the philosophical underpinnings of Bitcoin.  Although = such a debate may be worthwhile it should be taken to another forum for = discussion.  Every email you send is received by hundreds of = developers who value their time as much as you value yours.  If = your intended audience isn't really the majority of them, perhaps = private communication would be more appropriate. 

Thanks,
Alex

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