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[173.203.187.91]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id w123-20020a1ff881000000b004d3c4a37c63si989964vkh.2.2024.04.16.06.32.56 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-ECDSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Tue, 16 Apr 2024 06:32:56 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of rodolfo@coinkite.com designates 173.203.187.91 as permitted sender) client-ip=173.203.187.91; X-Auth-ID: rodolfo@coinkite.com Received: by smtp12.relay.iad3a.emailsrvr.com (Authenticated sender: rodolfo-AT-coinkite.com) with ESMTPSA id 872CA25326; Tue, 16 Apr 2024 09:32:50 -0400 (EDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: NVK Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Subject: Re: [bitcoindev] Re: Adding New BIP Editors Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2024 08:32:26 -0500 Message-Id: <7B4BE76C-63AF-4B84-805F-B78574A93D65@coinkite.com> References: Cc: Matt Corallo , Sergi Delgado Segura , nvk , Bitcoin Development Mailing List In-Reply-To: To: Tim Ruffing X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (21D61) X-Classification-ID: 808a1c65-224b-4a1f-ae19-71f4d02852e2-1-1 X-Original-Sender: rodolfo@coinkite.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of rodolfo@coinkite.com designates 173.203.187.91 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=rodolfo@coinkite.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list bitcoindev@googlegroups.com; contact bitcoindev+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 786775582512 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , X-Spam-Score: -0.8 (/) I understand the skepticism with more people. I was also skeptical about ha= ving larger committees, but after doing working on the open stats board whi= ch is 9 people and it being extremely efficient and practical I've changed = my outlook on the numbers. What do you do gain is more people to be available to review applications. = Which is often the bottleneck. I doubt there would be much contention on th= e opinions of the group. Just my two 2 cents. (mobile) > On Apr 16, 2024, at 08:16, Tim Ruffing wrote: >=20 > =EF=BB=BFI fully agree with Sergi and Matt here.=20 >=20 > (Sorry, this is just a +1 message, but I really don't have anything > meaningful to add to their arguments.) >=20 > Tim >=20 >> On Mon, 2024-04-15 at 13:50 -0400, Matt Corallo wrote: >> Strongly agree with Sergi here, >>=20 >> I'd suggest 2-3 BIP editors who are actually responsible for things >> is more useful than 5 BIP >> editors where no one is responsible for anything. >>=20 >> Again, I'm not convinced dumping this on more people is useful, folks >> like Roasbeef are great but >> clearly don't have time to keep up with yet more things, and not sure >> why folks are on the list here >> who haven't been active on the Bitcoin-dev ML and in BIPs for many >> years (eg no idea who Seccour is). >>=20 >> Matt >>=20 >>> On 4/11/24 10:22 AM, Sergi Delgado Segura wrote: >>> > I would prefer having more (9+?) than less folks on this task, >>> so personal preferences are easily >>> ignored and overwritten by the group majority. >>>=20 >>> I disagree with that, the more doesn't really the better here. >>> Having too many editors may result in >>> a tragedy of the commons, in which people just commit to the job >>> because many others do, and they do >>> not end up doing as much because they expect others to do the it. >>> This does not only make the >>> process look bad but may burnout the ones that end up doing the >>> job, given their time commitment >>> ends up being too far from their expectations. >>>=20 >>> I think being more moderate with the amount of people is better, >>> and gives us leeway in case the >>> workload ends up being excessive and we need to add more people >>> (plus discourage people from joining >>> and slacking off). >>>=20 >>> I think 3 more people should be a good number to start from. I'd >>> personally vouch for Murch, >>> Kanzure, and Ruben based on their track record in the space >>>=20 >>> On Tue, Apr 2, 2024 at 4:30=E2=80=AFPM nvk >>> > wrote: >>>=20 >>> +1 for >>> Kanzure >>> RubenSomsen >>> Seccour >>> Jon Atack >>> Roasbeef >>>=20 >>> I would prefer having more (9+?) than less folks on this task, so >>> personal preferences are >>> easily ignored and overwritten by the group majority. >>>=20 >>> BIPs were intended as a means to collect ideas, not enforce ideas. >>>=20 >>> I'd like to return to that. >>>=20 >>> - NVK (temp gmail account) >>>=20 >>> On Monday, April 1, 2024 at 5:16:54=E2=80=AFPM UTC-4 David A. Hardi= ng >>> wrote: >>>=20 >>>> On 2024-03-28 10:04, Matt Corallo wrote: >>> > Please provide justification rather than simply saying >>> "I like Bob!". >>>=20 >>> Using only comments from the mailing list, the following >>> appears to be >>> the candidate list along with the current support. >>> Asterisks denote >>> candidates who indicated their willingness to accept the >>> role. >>>=20 >>> - Bryan "Kanzure" Bishop, recommended by Ava Chow[1], Chris >>> Stewart[3], >>> Michael Folkson[6], Peter Todd[9], Matt Corallo[10], >>> Brandon >>> Black[11], >>> Antoine Riard[12], Murch[13], Antoine Poinsot[15], John >>> Carvalho[16] >>>=20 >>> - Ruben Somsen, recommended by Ava Chow[1], Chris >>> Stewart[3], Michael >>> Folkson[6], Antoine Riard[12], Murch[13], Antoine >>> Poinsot[15], John >>> Carvalho[16] >>>=20 >>> - Jon Atack*, recommended by Luke Dashjr[2], Chris >>> Stewart[3], >>> /dev/fd0[5][7], >>> Brandon Black[11], Antoine Riard[12], Ava Chow[14], John >>> Carvalho[16] >>>=20 >>> - Olaoluwa "Roasbeef" Osuntokun, recommended by Chris >>> Stewart[3], John >>> C. Vernaleo[4], /dev/fd0[5][7], Keagan McClelland[8], >>> Antoine >>> Riard[12], Ava Chow[14] >>>=20 >>> - Mark "Murch" Erhardt*, recommended by Michael Folkson[6], >>> Keagan >>> McClelland[8], Matt Corallo[10], Brandon Black[11], Antoine >>> Riard[12], >>> Ava Chow[14] >>>=20 >>> - Michael Folkson* >>>=20 >>> Note: Luke Dashjr proposed[17] Seccour and Greg Tonoski for >>> "non-dev >>> triaging", Tonoski proposed himself[18] for "BIP editor", >>> and Antoine >>> Riard[12] proposed Seccour for "decentralized PM". >>>=20 >>> I searched the BIPs repo by commenter to see if any of the >>> above >>> candidates had been especially active there, which is >>> listed below as: >>> total PRs they commented on (number still open/number >>> closed). >>>=20 >>> - 21 (1/20) commenter:kanzure >>> - 3 (2/1) commenter:rubensomsen >>> - 15 (0/15) commenter:jonatack >>> - 18 (2/16) commenter:roasbeef >>> - 10 (6/4) commenter:Murchandamus >>> - 57 (6/51) commenter:michaelfolkson >>>=20 >>> I'll also note that Osuntokun is the only member of the set >>> to have a >>> merged BIP that they co-authored, although I believe there >>> are far-along >>> draft BIPs for both Murch (terminology) and Somsen (Silent >>> Payments). I >>> don't think this should be a requirement, but I do think it >>> demonstrates >>> familiarity with the process. >>>=20 >>> Speaking only for myself, I think all of the candidates >>> above with >>> multiple recommendations from other community participants >>> are fully >>> qualified for the role, so I'll only provide a detailed >>> justification >>> for the person who would be my first pick: Murch is not >>> only a >>> longstanding and broadly liked Bitcoin contributor, but (as >>> Corallo >>> mentioned) he has worked on standardizing terminology >>> through a draft >>> BIP. In addition, he provided an extremely detailed review >>> of all 300 >>> pages of a draft of Mastering Bitcoin (3rd edition) and has >>> reviewed >>> drafts of over 200 weekly Optech newsletters, in both cases >>> significantly improving the accuracy and comprehensibility >>> of the >>> documentation. To me, that seems very similar to the work >>> we'd ask him >>> to perform as a BIPs editor and it's something that he's >>> already doing, >>> so I think there's an excellent fit of person to role. >>>=20 >>> -Dave >>>=20 >>> [1] >>> =20 >>> https://gnusha.org/pi/bitcoindev/2092f7ff-4860-47f8...@achow101.com/ >>> =20 >>> >> 51e@achow101.com/> >>> [2] >>> =20 >>> https://gnusha.org/pi/bitcoindev/9288df7b-f2e9-4106...@dashjr.org/ >>> =20 >>> >> 2a3@dashjr.org/> >>> [3] >>> =20 >>> https://gnusha.org/pi/bitcoindev/d1e7183c-30e6-4f1a...@googlegroups.com= / >>> =20 >>> >> 9a2n@googlegroups.com/> >>> [4] >>> =20 >>> https://gnusha.org/pi/bitcoindev/84309c3f-e848-d333...@netpurgatory.com= / >>> =20 >>> >> 713@netpurgatory.com/> >>> [5] >>> =20 >>> https://gnusha.org/pi/bitcoindev/4c1462b7-ea1c-4a36...@googlegroups.com= / >>> =20 >>> >> fabn@googlegroups.com/> >>> [6] >>> =20 >>> https://gnusha.org/pi/bitcoindev/a116fba3-5948-48d2...@googlegroups.com= / >>> =20 >>> >> 006n@googlegroups.com/> >>> [7] >>> =20 >>> https://gnusha.org/pi/bitcoindev/846b668f-8386-4869...@googlegroups.com= / >>> =20 >>> >> ea1n@googlegroups.com/> >>> [8] >>> =20 >>> https://gnusha.org/pi/bitcoindev/CALeFGL1-LKPWd7YRS110ut8tX=3DwruqgLEaz= RA5...@mail.gmail.com/ >>> =20 >>> >> EazRA5nVw9siYCPj4A@mail.gmail.com/> >>> [9] >>> https://gnusha.org/pi/bitcoindev/ZgePPvbf...@petertodd.org/ >>> =20 >>> >>> [10] >>> =20 >>> https://gnusha.org/pi/bitcoindev/f9435999-42df-46b5...@mattcorallo.com/ >>> =20 >>> >> bf2@mattcorallo.com/> >>> [11] >>> https://gnusha.org/pi/bitcoindev/ZgWRu32FXzqqg69V@console/ >>> =20 >>> >>> [12] >>> =20 >>> https://gnusha.org/pi/bitcoindev/CALZpt+E8DohYEJ9aO+FiF6+E...@mail.gmai= l.com/ >>> =20 >>> >> HSKSXpq0VKVBhJLhrw@mail.gmail.com/> >>> [13] >>> =20 >>> https://gnusha.org/pi/bitcoindev/53a0015c-b76a-441a...@murch.one/ >>> =20 >>> >> 778@murch.one/> >>> [14] >>> =20 >>> https://gnusha.org/pi/bitcoindev/ae482890-bce3-468f...@achow101.com/ >>> =20 >>> >> 644@achow101.com/> >>> [15] >>> =20 >>> https://gnusha.org/pi/bitcoindev/ppBS1tfMU3SFX85kmIBVBd0WpT5Wof_oSBXsui= zh7692AUDw2TojfvCqvcvlmsy9E69qfWMxK-UZWawf8IDApPqF7bXOH4gwU1c2jS4xojo=3D@pr= otonmail.com/ >>> < >>> https://gnusha.org/pi/bitcoindev/ppBS1tfMU3SFX85kmIBVBd0WpT5Wof_oSBXsui= zh7692AUDw2TojfvCqvcvlmsy9E69qfWMxK-UZWawf8IDApPqF7bXOH4gwU1c2jS4xojo=3D@pr= otonmail.com/ >>>>=20 >>> [16] >>> =20 >>> https://gnusha.org/pi/bitcoindev/ad284018-e99c-4552...@googlegroups.com= / >>> =20 >>> >> 661n@googlegroups.com/> >>> [17] >>> =20 >>> https://gnusha.org/pi/bitcoindev/CAMHHROw9mZJRnTbUo76PdqwJU=3D=3DYJMvd9= Qrst+...@mail.gmail.com/ >>> =20 >>> >> 9Qrst+nmyypaedYZgg@mail.gmail.com/> >>>=20 >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the >>> Google Groups "Bitcoin Development >>> Mailing List" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from >>> it, send an email to >>> =20 >>> bitcoindev+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com >>> . >>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>> =20 >>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/bitcoindev/7b4e2223-0b96-4ca0-a441-ae= bcfc7b0bben%40googlegroups.com >>> < >>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/bitcoindev/7b4e2223-0b96-4ca0-a441-ae= bcfc7b0bben%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=3Demail&utm_source=3Dfooter >>>> . >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> -- >>> Sergi. >>>=20 >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "Bitcoin Development >>> Mailing List" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>> send an email to >>> bitcoindev+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com >> bitcoindev+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com>. >>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/bitcoindev/CAEYHFxV_8_Jw61tysL_cV_xiX= BcRyA3e%3DCGHGuSCgm%2B-4WxT9w%40mail.gmail.com >>> < >>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/bitcoindev/CAEYHFxV_8_Jw61tysL_cV_xiX= BcRyA3e%3DCGHGuSCgm%2B-4WxT9w%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=3Demail&utm_sourc= e=3Dfooter >>>> . >>=20 >=20 > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups= "Bitcoin Development Mailing List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an= email to bitcoindev+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgi= d/bitcoindev/a7b4924d7148f85b1a7676a1c113eccc0b06cc86.camel%40timruffing.de= . --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= Bitcoin Development Mailing List" group. 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