From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (smtp1.linux-foundation.org [172.17.192.35]) by mail.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 00E3F9C for ; Sun, 16 Oct 2016 16:42:53 +0000 (UTC) X-Greylist: whitelisted by SQLgrey-1.7.6 Received: from mail-pf0-f170.google.com (mail-pf0-f170.google.com [209.85.192.170]) by smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EFEA0A7 for ; Sun, 16 Oct 2016 16:42:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-pf0-f170.google.com with SMTP id r16so45784033pfg.1 for ; Sun, 16 Oct 2016 09:42:51 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=voskuil-org.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=IyCfho1JDv8ZJpGmBoG+MealhOKrWxm14/mASfaIt/k=; b=e1QVhZ+NfnTGbyaHEqIJkK8lChbs5uIJEw7aaWiBxF51DtUoeoTFKYPBbLmqpxvBEu zSdqsin1AtPOm+3Sw2JfFUw24KzeeDqVVYsTrHCdtsddOz/kmJ2LYYsbD76airjlgfdd aZFYJW9ZqE4O46zsd0JN4fWtPbkrhPxt8W6WG0ilsGW3LgAeXq1S51ltJP3ygL5Bh3BH g0vOwrvMkfe1nM1BAezQJGw/ZWeEUQr/kqgeKG8crOAuz0agspwtFwnRGRRbOFX16DZj BwQfrggpuVPktMzJwaUWFLSZ41vBZu7kwtLzrUzRs1kMAkzpHRJWG/b+3oSiudxxEnhe LlEg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=IyCfho1JDv8ZJpGmBoG+MealhOKrWxm14/mASfaIt/k=; b=dHsGzg18Q5THjAHwiwarrb5zmFgX/teWavaTkS/0nDBVYdy0hSR3xspVXVutu6FnL4 MFr1kY0mBI3v3pMn82TZuZYrxLFs1zDjjcyMbW/PYanG0sdk/ZaN9zUst+2S9j9ypEz7 553AEvhf0nZtcjBU8ZZ/mSS+MdZ+hbANIb2Pf2X+5fPo6/otIZ0kFhmaWObTx+kShTRf 0W1iUkYg1fedaIqMr/b/Oc8m4cCVFXQOo3ZVdqMBRoKw4LLz0I84C6dKvZhcXgd7ilSL KMUWg8MbfuiBAp/BwDHlTuPpyTXgdi52t7lI/3F0VX+9KYykB0+QEQnW+kf6IpPd6Kaf TpGw== X-Gm-Message-State: AA6/9Rn0qmHHtSA2JeyBofObjnqWA8aOO48+osya/x+5sGz831+NCjN94Q7m/j63fUTJcg== X-Received: by 10.99.0.204 with SMTP id 195mr26152799pga.78.1476636171655; Sun, 16 Oct 2016 09:42:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.107.241.71] (mobile-166-176-185-130.mycingular.net. [166.176.185.130]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id t5sm11820828pfb.58.2016.10.16.09.42.50 (version=TLS1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128/128); Sun, 16 Oct 2016 09:42:51 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-517FF7D2-21EE-4A42-AEE4-4372002A0017 Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) From: Eric Voskuil X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (14A456) In-Reply-To: Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2016 09:42:49 -0700 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <85294A85-FDB9-4FDF-911B-C06CBA45DA06@voskuil.org> References: <1782741.nelbyupFSb@strawberry> To: Gavin Andresen , Bitcoin Protocol Discussion X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID, HTML_MESSAGE, MIME_QP_LONG_LINE, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW autolearn=ham version=3.3.1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on smtp1.linux-foundation.org X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sun, 16 Oct 2016 16:43:36 +0000 Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] Start time for BIP141 (segwit) X-BeenThere: bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Bitcoin Protocol Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2016 16:42:53 -0000 --Apple-Mail-517FF7D2-21EE-4A42-AEE4-4372002A0017 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable If somebody is not "running their own validation code" then they aren't act= ually using Bitcoin, so their ease in transition is irrelevant. For all they= know they are accepting random numbers. e > On Oct 16, 2016, at 9:35 AM, Gavin Andresen via bitcoin-dev wrote: >=20 >> On Sun, Oct 16, 2016 at 10:58 AM, Tom Zander via bitcoin-dev wrote: >> The fallow period sounds waaaay to short. I suggest 2 months at minimum >> since anyone that wants to be safe needs to upgrade. >=20 > I asked a lot of businesses and individuals how long it would take them to= upgrade to a new release over the last year or two. >=20 > Nobody said it would take them more than two weeks. >=20 > If somebody is running their own validation code... then we should assume t= hey're sophisticated enough to figure out how to mitigate any risks associat= ed with segwit activation on their own. >=20 > --=20 > -- > Gavin Andresen >=20 > _______________________________________________ > bitcoin-dev mailing list > bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org > https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-dev --Apple-Mail-517FF7D2-21EE-4A42-AEE4-4372002A0017 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
If somebody is not "running= their own validation code"  then they aren't actually using Bitcoin, s= o their ease in transition is irrelevant. For all they know they are accepti= ng random numbers.

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On Oct 16, 2016,= at 9:35 AM, Gavin Andresen via bitcoin-dev <bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org> w= rote:

On Sun, Oct 16, 2016 at 10:58 A= M, Tom Zander via bitcoin-dev <bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfo= undation.org> wrote:
The fallow period sounds waaaay= to short. I suggest 2 months at minimum
since anyone that wants to be safe needs to upgrade.

I asked a lot of businesses and individuals how long it would take them= to upgrade to a new release over the last year or two.

Nobody said it would take t= hem more than two weeks.

If somebody is running their own validation code... then w= e should assume they're sophisticated enough to figure out how to mitigate a= ny risks associated with segwit activation on their own.

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Gavin Andresen

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