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Mon, 24 Mar 2025 06:56:30 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 2002:a05:690c:338e:b0:6fd:9f44:f3ab with SMTP id 00721157ae682-700bac14468mr171093547b3.13.1742824590635; Mon, 24 Mar 2025 06:56:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 2002:a05:690c:2e0c:b0:6fe:b496:fc0e with SMTP id 00721157ae682-700ba54b093ms7b3; Mon, 24 Mar 2025 00:00:10 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 2002:a05:690c:7441:b0:6fb:b1dd:9ffe with SMTP id 00721157ae682-700bad24571mr161155387b3.35.1742799609617; Mon, 24 Mar 2025 00:00:09 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2025 00:00:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Garlo Nicon To: Bitcoin Development Mailing List Message-Id: <85db9980-f6c9-48d8-a650-c69f16cd835fn@googlegroups.com> In-Reply-To: <5c13e130-aaa2-4866-be26-7498100e868b@murch.one> References: <5c13e130-aaa2-4866-be26-7498100e868b@murch.one> Subject: Re: [bitcoindev] Unbreaking testnet4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_Part_303084_1720712126.1742799609079" X-Original-Sender: garlonicon@gmail.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list bitcoindev@googlegroups.com; contact bitcoindev+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 786775582512 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , X-Spam-Score: -0.5 (/) ------=_Part_303084_1720712126.1742799609079 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_303085_66809897.1742799609079" ------=_Part_303085_66809897.1742799609079 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > The given rationale for a difficulty reset was to let developers=20 occasionally mine blocks on their laptop. It is technically possible to allow CPU users to get some coins, if they=20 provide some Proof of Work. Example Script: "OP_SIZE 60 OP_LESSTHAN OP_VERIFY=20 0279be667ef9dcbbac55a06295ce870b07029bfcdb2dce28d959f2815b16f81798=20 OP_CHECKSIG". Related topic:=20 https://delvingbitcoin.org/t/proof-of-work-based-signet-faucet/937 And because this method is network-independent, and can be deployed=20 anywhere (all testnets, mainnet, signet, regtest, doesn't matter), then it= =20 is probably a good idea to disable 20 minute rule, that way or another. poniedzia=C5=82ek, 24 marca 2025 o 02:29:17 UTC+1 Murch napisa=C5=82(a): > Hey Antoine and everyone, > > What you suggest makes sense to me. Since the 20-minute difficulty=20 > exception is now exploited perpetually, it doesn=E2=80=99t serve its inte= nded=20 > purpose of allowing developers to mine themselves a few coins easily or= =20 > confirm their own non-standard transactions. In that case, it would be=20 > better to not have it at all. > > On 2025-03-18 07:29, 'Antoine Poinsot' via Bitcoin Development Mailing=20 > List wrote: > > I propose to fix this by removing the difficulty reset rule from > > testnet4 through a flag day hard fork on 2026-01-01. > > I would suggest to pick a date that=E2=80=99s not a holiday in many place= s to=20 > avoid disrupting people=E2=80=99s holiday, how about 2026-01-01 instead? > > Cheers, > Murch > --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= Bitcoin Development Mailing List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an e= mail to bitcoindev+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/bitcoindev/= 85db9980-f6c9-48d8-a650-c69f16cd835fn%40googlegroups.com. ------=_Part_303085_66809897.1742799609079 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > The given rationale for a difficulty reset was to let developers occas= ionally mine blocks on their laptop.

It is technically possible = to allow CPU users to get some coins, if they provide some Proof of Work.
Example Script: "OP_SIZE 60 OP_LESSTHAN OP_VERIFY 0279be667ef9dcb= bac55a06295ce870b07029bfcdb2dce28d959f2815b16f81798 OP_CHECKSIG".

Related topic: https://delvingbitcoin.org/t/proof-of-work-based-signet-fa= ucet/937

And because this method is network-independent, and can= be deployed anywhere (all testnets, mainnet, signet, regtest, doesn't matt= er), then it is probably a good idea to disable 20 minute rule, that way or= another.

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