From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from hemlock.osuosl.org (smtp2.osuosl.org [140.211.166.133]) by lists.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31153C013A for ; Fri, 8 Jan 2021 00:40:36 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hemlock.osuosl.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F79387576 for ; Fri, 8 Jan 2021 00:40:36 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at osuosl.org Received: from hemlock.osuosl.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (.osuosl.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id s+St72zF14LW for ; Fri, 8 Jan 2021 00:40:35 +0000 (UTC) X-Greylist: domain auto-whitelisted by SQLgrey-1.7.6 Received: from ozlabs.org (ozlabs.org [203.11.71.1]) by hemlock.osuosl.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 03C2887565 for ; Fri, 8 Jan 2021 00:40:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ozlabs.org (Postfix, from userid 1011) id 4DBkly3zGQz9sWj; Fri, 8 Jan 2021 11:40:30 +1100 (AEDT) From: Rusty Russell To: Andrew Chow , Bitcoin Protocol Discussion In-Reply-To: References: <1dd8c285-e3f4-4f03-d608-103a5026146d@achow101.com> <5a4697cb-b9cb-b925-e78f-d5b53f025704@achow101.com> <87wnwpabq6.fsf@rustcorp.com.au> Date: Fri, 08 Jan 2021 11:10:06 +1030 Message-ID: <87a6tk9s7t.fsf@rustcorp.com.au> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] New PSBT version proposal X-BeenThere: bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Bitcoin Protocol Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 08 Jan 2021 00:40:36 -0000 Andrew Chow writes: > Hi Rusty, > > On 1/6/21 6:26 PM, Rusty Russell wrote: >> Hi Andrew et al, >> >> Very excited to see this progress; thanks for doing all the >> work! Sorry for the delayed feedback, I didn't get to this before the >> break. >> >>> Additionally, I would like to add a new global field: >>> * PSBT_GLOBAL_UNDER_CONSTRUCTION =3D 0x05 >>> =C2=A0 * Key: empty >>> =C2=A0 * Value: A single byte as a boolean. 0 for False, 1 for True. = All >>> other values ore prohibited. Must be omitted for PSBTv0, may be omitted >>> in PSBTv2. >>> >>> PSBT_GLOBAL_UNDER_CONSTRUCTION is used to signal whether inputs and >>> outputs can be added to the PSBT. This flag may be set to True when >>> inputs and outputs are being updated, signed, and finalized. However >>> care must be taken when there are existing signatures. If this field is >>> omitted or set to False, no further inputs and outputs may be added to >>> the PSBT. >> I wonder if this can be flagged simply by omitting the (AFAICT >> redundant) PSBT_GLOBAL_INPUT_COUNT and PSBT_GLOBAL_OUTPUT_COUNT? What >> are the purposes of those fields? > The purpose of those fields is to know how many input and output maps=20 > there are. Without PSBT_GLOBAL_UNSIGNED_TX, there is no way to determine= =20 > whether a map is an input map or an output map. So the counts are there=20 > to allow that. Ah, yeah, you need at least the number of input maps :( It's generally preferable to have sections be self-describing; internally if you have a function which takes all the input maps you should be able to trivially tell if you're handed the output maps by mistake. Similarly, it would have been nice to have an input map be a distinctly marked type from global or output maps. Nonetheless, that's a bigger change. You could just require a double-00 terminator between the global, input and output sections though. >> For our uses, there would be no signatures at this stage; it's simply a >> subdivision of the Creator role. This role would be terminated by >> removing the under-construction marker. For this, it could be clear >> that such an under-construction PSBT SHOULD NOT be signed. > > There are some protocols where signed inputs are added to transactions. Sure, but you can't solve every problem. We've now created the possibility that a PSBT is "under construction" but can't be modified, *and* a very invasive requirement to determine that. I disagree with Andrew's goal here: > 1. PSBT provides no way to modify the set of inputs or outputs after the > Creator role is done. It's simpler if, "the under-construction PSBT can be used within the Creator role, which can now have sub-roles". If you really want to allow this (and I think we need to explore concrete examples to justify this complexity!), better to add data to PSBT_GLOBAL_UNDER_CONSTRUCTION: 1. a flag to indicate whether inputs are modifiable. 2. a flag to indicate whether outputs are modifiable. 3. a bitmap of what inputs are SIGHASH_SINGLE. If you add a signature which is not SIGHASH_NONE, you clear the "outputs modifiable" flag. If you add a signature which is not SIGHASH_ANYONECANPAY, you clear the "inputs modifiable" flag. If you clear both flags, you remove the PSBT_GLOBAL_UNDER_CONSTRUCTION altogether. You similarly set the bitmap depending on whether all sigs are SIGHASH_SINGLE. Cheers, Rusty.