From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from sog-mx-2.v43.ch3.sourceforge.com ([172.29.43.192] helo=mx.sourceforge.net) by sfs-ml-1.v29.ch3.sourceforge.com with esmtp (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1YtPs8-0000KV-6X for bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net; Sat, 16 May 2015 00:22:32 +0000 Received-SPF: pass (sog-mx-2.v43.ch3.sourceforge.com: domain of ozlabs.org designates 103.22.144.67 as permitted sender) client-ip=103.22.144.67; envelope-from=rusty@ozlabs.org; helo=ozlabs.org; Received: from ozlabs.org ([103.22.144.67]) by sog-mx-2.v43.ch3.sourceforge.com with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.76) id 1YtPs6-0002og-UV for bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net; Sat, 16 May 2015 00:22:32 +0000 Received: by ozlabs.org (Postfix, from userid 1011) id 3A3BC140B0E; Sat, 16 May 2015 10:22:23 +1000 (AEST) From: Rusty Russell To: Tier Nolan In-Reply-To: References: <16096345.A1MpJQQkRW@crushinator> User-Agent: Notmuch/0.17 (http://notmuchmail.org) Emacs/24.4.1 (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) Date: Sat, 16 May 2015 09:52:14 +0930 Message-ID: <87a8x5l6bt.fsf@rustcorp.com.au> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -1.5 (-) X-Spam-Report: Spam Filtering performed by mx.sourceforge.net. See http://spamassassin.org/tag/ for more details. -1.5 SPF_CHECK_PASS SPF reports sender host as permitted sender for sender-domain -0.0 SPF_HELO_PASS SPF: HELO matches SPF record -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record X-Headers-End: 1YtPs6-0002og-UV Cc: Bitcoin Development Subject: Re: [Bitcoin-development] Proposed alternatives to the 20MB step function X-BeenThere: bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 16 May 2015 00:22:32 -0000 Tier Nolan writes: > On Sat, May 9, 2015 at 4:36 AM, Gregory Maxwell wrote: > >> An example would >> be tx_size = MAX( real_size >> 1, real_size + 4*utxo_created_size - >> 3*utxo_consumed_size). > > > This could be implemented as a soft fork too. > > * 1MB hard size limit > * 900kB soft limit I like this too. Some tweaks: 1) Nomenclature: call tx_size "tx_cost" and real_size "tx_bytes"? 2) If we have a reasonable hard *byte* limit, I don't think that we need the MAX(). In fact, it's probably OK to go negative. 3) ... or maybe not, if any consumed UTXO was generated before the soft fork (reducing Tier's perverse incentive). 4) How do we measure UTXO size? There are some constant-ish things in there (eg. txid as key, height, outnum, amount). Maybe just add 32 to scriptlen? 5) Add a CHECKSIG cost. Naively, since we allow 20,000 CHECKSIGs and 1MB blocks, that implies a cost of 50 bytes per CHECKSIG (but counted correctly, unlike now). This last one implies that the initial cost limit would be 2M, but in practice probably somewhere in the middle. tx_cost = 50*num-CHECKSIG + tx_bytes + 4*utxo_created_size - 3*utxo_consumed_size > A 250 byte transaction with 2 inputs and 2 outputs would have an adjusted > size of 252 bytes. Now cost == 352. Cheers, Rusty.