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From: Rusty Russell <rusty@rustcorp.com.au>
To: Gavin Andresen <gavinandresen@gmail.com>,
	Gregory Maxwell <gmaxwell@gmail.com>
Cc: Bitcoin Dev <bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org>
Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] Weak block thoughts...
Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2015 10:41:03 +0930	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87wpvg39lk.fsf@rustcorp.com.au> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CABsx9T3NFRO5nw3z=jrs0Hu3caVNkkTTTb1ibqR7LMWsoou9RQ@mail.gmail.com>

Gavin Andresen via bitcoin-dev <bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org>
writes:
> I don't see any incentive problems, either. Worst case is more miners
> decide to skip validation and just mine a variation of the
> highest-fee-paying weak block they've seen, but that's not a disaster--
> invalid blocks will still get rejected by all the non-miners running full
> nodes.

That won't help SPV nodes, unfortunately.

> If we did see that behavior, I bet it would be a good strategy for a big
> hashrate miner to dedicate some of their hashrate to announcing invalid
> weak blocks; if you can get your lazy competitors to mine it, then you
> win....

We already see non-validating mining, but they do empty blocks.  This
just makes it more attractive in the future, since you can collect fees
too.

But I think it's clear we'll eventually need some UTXO commitment so
full nodes can tell SPV nodes about bad blocks.

Cheers,
Rusty.


  parent reply	other threads:[~2015-09-24  1:33 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 18+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-09-23 15:43 [bitcoin-dev] Weak block thoughts Gavin Andresen
2015-09-23 16:07 ` Bryan Bishop
2015-09-23 19:24   ` Gregory Maxwell
2015-09-23 21:37     ` Gavin Andresen
2015-09-23 22:16       ` Jonathan Toomim (Toomim Bros)
2015-09-24  1:11       ` Rusty Russell [this message]
2015-09-27  1:39       ` Gregory Maxwell
2015-09-27  9:42         ` Tier Nolan
2015-09-27 15:10           ` Kalle Rosenbaum
2015-09-27 19:50             ` Gregory Maxwell
2015-09-28  8:30               ` Kalle Rosenbaum
2015-09-28 13:30                 ` Jonathan Toomim (Toomim Bros)
2015-09-23 16:07 ` Btc Drak
2015-09-23 16:28 ` Peter R
2015-09-23 17:40   ` Gavin
2015-09-23 17:49     ` Peter R
2015-09-23 18:48 ` Tier Nolan
2015-09-24  1:32 ` Rusty Russell

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