From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from smtp2.osuosl.org (smtp2.osuosl.org [IPv6:2605:bc80:3010::133]) by lists.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A7CBC0032 for ; Mon, 13 Nov 2023 15:14:20 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp2.osuosl.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F24A240B22 for ; Mon, 13 Nov 2023 15:14:19 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Filter: OpenDKIM Filter v2.11.0 smtp2.osuosl.org F24A240B22 Authentication-Results: smtp2.osuosl.org; dkim=pass (4096-bit key) header.d=opengroupware.ch header.i=@opengroupware.ch header.a=rsa-sha256 header.s=dkim20160331 header.b=EY9FQrFV X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at osuosl.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.601 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.601 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_50=0.8, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from smtp2.osuosl.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp2.osuosl.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id knzkXlZs7cGS for ; Mon, 13 Nov 2023 15:14:15 +0000 (UTC) X-Greylist: delayed 507 seconds by postgrey-1.37 at util1.osuosl.org; Mon, 13 Nov 2023 15:14:14 UTC DKIM-Filter: OpenDKIM Filter v2.11.0 smtp2.osuosl.org 75FB140B25 Received: from mx.kolabnow.com (mx.kolabnow.com [212.103.80.155]) by smtp2.osuosl.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 75FB140B25 for ; Mon, 13 Nov 2023 15:14:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by mx.kolabnow.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23F34302338A for ; Mon, 13 Nov 2023 16:05:45 +0100 (CET) Authentication-Results: ext-mx-out013.mykolab.com (amavis); dkim=pass (4096-bit key) reason="pass (just generated, assumed good)" header.d=opengroupware.ch DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= opengroupware.ch; h=mime-version:date:date:content-type :content-type:references:in-reply-to:from:from:subject:subject :message-id:received:received:received; s=dkim20160331; t= 1699887944; x=1701702345; bh=OLZrmiSrI/wpZNeLQfmf799+58ePPFrscYI fykUD+gM=; b=EY9FQrFV0C5HkdgPb8Nri6ygQBDbscnEePodetTSwf/MmskNBBY 1K6Wd0owsumuEv3Z+4W5pr3aqwue2k1TfhLIO3YLaIFNUHLo/+kYRA1ACE3fPY9z 8/eHoh6SojilC+LWHvKjzKrOayh18RisvfCf1uoJy+JiDkCPKIGIMWzJWxJQBJy6 53QbGBdXCY3IYF3x6NZ4xaRAmFuEFkbeKTsMWLTjfKTr6tWJyeKr+QhwZDuVxKpi 7NoUrGMsnKP/d4Y+R8T/Nudm15k0Ll5ZifhlM11rf+XeroUcjx+XwD2b6+r+9B3E Z6P0bndu0hn4LzS1zBAWW0TXjV6/vvhObb14S/6p1fsxSvksrwYYNymALRfTcMq8 A12oE4lR7lBt0NhG3u9RQg9R0KkmCIVzFyjQ+2UQ9+H7G+6FWCGpa4J2khZhekVZ ZUH87PBylGNTLEw8hDMCjbJnzkP9rHuwAtNuL/cAf3+D3rbjE2W++1Q6csCDHywk KRT/KCngiFTdho2LFZ/FCxVrDVGLKHsH6+mCL6eWnMpInWZO7PbGWWU0zLYiufAZ ZIvYdSa+vqwc6rmA/ZAvdeHubaEljcTOX0pzbVwCczG/zApnrBLmMPMQ1udtyhmN slERQPM5ypiFTXErWzGqY60+CLa60CSEzqHBzE1xnivfSKyoiQnFp/Zc= X-Virus-Scanned: amavis at mykolab.com Received: from mx.kolabnow.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (ext-mx-out013.mykolab.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavis, port 10024) with ESMTP id liXpDJ-8G6A0 for ; Mon, 13 Nov 2023 16:05:44 +0100 (CET) Received: from int-mx009.mykolab.com (unknown [10.9.13.9]) by mx.kolabnow.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 50690300D372 for ; Mon, 13 Nov 2023 16:05:43 +0100 (CET) Received: from ext-subm010.mykolab.com (unknown [10.9.6.10]) by int-mx009.mykolab.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 59BDC20D8CE6 for ; Mon, 13 Nov 2023 16:05:43 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <8abf319929b0a729eab5ad4659727ff250e10efd.camel@opengroupware.ch> From: Overthefalls To: bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=-i0M10ZTVARtpBzAJw+31" Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2023 09:05:38 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailman-Approved-At: Mon, 13 Nov 2023 17:40:54 +0000 Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] Future of the bitcoin-dev mailing list X-BeenThere: bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Bitcoin Protocol Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2023 15:14:20 -0000 --=-i0M10ZTVARtpBzAJw+31 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Tue, 2023-11-07 at 09:37 -0600, Bryan Bishop via bitcoin-dev wrote: Google Groups is another interesting option, I don't think I'm the only person on this list that is strongly opposed to using google for anything. They are too big and they have their hand in everything, and their eyes (and analytics) on everything. I remember when there were virtually no gmail email addresses that posted to this list. Suddenly in 2020 or 2021, we had an influx of gmail subscribers and posters. That didn't escape me then and it is not lost on me now. Email is great for public discussion for many reasons. The fact that everyone gets a copy of the data, there is no single central authority that can edit emails once they have been sent out. Anyone can archive email messages, they can generally store or publish the data anywhere they like. That is not the case with web forum content. I like the lightning anti-spam fee idea. That would encourage me to finally adopt lightning, and it would, I'm sure, produce some interesting results for the list. I don't think email should be out of the question. Does anyone besides kanzure@gmail.com think that sticking with email is out of the question? Let's do what's necessary to stick with email. --=-i0M10ZTVARtpBzAJw+31 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On Tue, 2023-11-07 at 09:37 -0600, Bryan Bishop via bitcoin-dev wr= ote:
Google Groups is another interesting o= ption,

I don't think I'm the only person o= n this list that is strongly opposed to using google for anything. They are= too big and they have their hand in everything, and their eyes (and analyt= ics) on everything.

I remember when there were vir= tually no gmail email addresses that posted to this list. Suddenly in 2020 = or 2021, we had an influx of gmail subscribers and posters. That didn't esc= ape me then and it is not lost on me now.

Email i= s great for public discussion for many reasons. The fact that everyone gets= a copy of the data, there is no single central authority that can edit ema= ils once they have been sent out. Anyone can archive email messages, they c= an generally store or publish the data anywhere they like. That is not the = case with web forum content.

I like the lightning= anti-spam fee idea. That would encourage me to finally adopt lightning, an= d it would, I'm sure, produce some interesting results for the list.
=

I don't think email should be out of the question. Does= anyone besides kanzure@gmail.com = think that sticking with email is out of the question?

=
Let's do what's necessary to stick with email.




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