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[79.135.106.102]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id ffacd0b85a97d-45edb5ce7casi17811f8f.8.2026.05.26.17.52.00 for (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Tue, 26 May 2026 17:52:01 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of conduition@proton.me designates 79.135.106.102 as permitted sender) client-ip=79.135.106.102; Date: Wed, 27 May 2026 00:51:55 +0000 To: 3D From: "'conduition' via Bitcoin Development Mailing List" Cc: bitcoindev@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [bitcoindev] [BIP Proposal] Hybrid SPHINCS+ / secp256k1 Key Derivation for Quantum-Resistant Paper Wallets Message-ID: <8xzOqkvC9ILirjnikYtVVAW60ZqDGF9RfQi4hZ-g9gM7Ex4onLrDLT132wC2ObA8F1oixXZRGT-uE8DMc7qoVYhh9pCO2ioFT76RzbLoi08=@proton.me> In-Reply-To: References: Feedback-ID: 72003692:user:proton X-Pm-Message-ID: 72da6afcbc9de66c9c532a0b582d3266545bd92a MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha512; boundary="------67bfd0d37cc6e8502e7d58f633fd679555522ae43651584402b623b2d2cf37a0"; charset=utf-8 X-Original-Sender: conduition@proton.me X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; dkim=pass header.i=@proton.me header.s=protonmail header.b=HZsG7doH; spf=pass (google.com: domain of conduition@proton.me designates 79.135.106.102 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=conduition@proton.me; dmarc=pass (p=QUARANTINE sp=QUARANTINE dis=NONE) header.from=proton.me X-Original-From: conduition Reply-To: conduition Precedence: list Mailing-list: list bitcoindev@googlegroups.com; contact bitcoindev+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 786775582512 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --------67bfd0d37cc6e8502e7d58f633fd679555522ae43651584402b623b2d2cf37a0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed;boundary=---------------------790b858ba96c991fef1d33de7408816c -----------------------790b858ba96c991fef1d33de7408816c Content-Type: multipart/alternative;boundary=---------------------479801360d6a3c7b3ec56c962bd01204 -----------------------479801360d6a3c7b3ec56c962bd01204 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > 3=E2=80=99s Company HE-SD (High-Entropy Seed Distillation) algorithm Never heard of that. Google shows no results. Doesn't seem to exist. > (which uses SPX-QEC for cleanup) Cleanup of what? What is SPX-QEC? Your draft doc links to this word-salad r= epo. I can't make sense of how this is related. > This is intended as a practical bridge for quantum-hardened cold storage/= paper wallets while post-quantum consensus migration=C2=A0is still in the f= uture. What does this even mean? There is no way to "quantum harden" a secp256k1 k= eypair with different entropy, despite what some snake-oil salesmen=C2=A0ar= e saying. A curve point is a curve point and Shor's algorithm can factor it= to find its discrete log just as well as any other point. Mods, this appears to be an underinformed proposal at best, AI slop/spam, o= r even phishing at worst.=C2=A0 Needless to say but I'll say it anyway: Don't use this tool to generate pap= er wallet keys.=C2=A0The keygen code is unreadable gibberish to my eye. Out= put entropy could be compromised in a way that only the author knows, desig= ned to steal any money deposited into the output keys. Don't click on links= to websites you don't already know & trust. DigiMancer3D, if this is not the case, please explain your proposal better = and document your code. regards, conduition On Tuesday, May 26th, 2026 at 6:19 PM, '3D' via Bitcoin Development Mailing= List wrote: > Hi all, > I'd like to propose a new wallet-layer BIP for a practical hybrid post-qu= antum key derivation scheme. >=20 > **Title:** Hybrid SPHINCS+ / secp256k1 Key Derivation for Quantum-Resista= nt Bitcoin Wallets >=20 > **Summary:** > This BIP defines a simple, immediately usable method that combines NIST-s= tandardized SLH-DSA (SPHINCS+) with the 3=E2=80=99s Company HE-SD (High-Ent= ropy Seed Distillation) algorithm (which uses SPX-QEC for cleanup) to deriv= e ordinary secp256k1 private keys and standard Bitcoin addresses (legacy + = BIP-341 Taproot). >=20 > The process is fully offline, runs on low-end/air-gapped hardware (Raspbe= rry Pi class), and produces keys that work today with Electrum, bitaddress.= org, and Bitcoin Core;=C2=A0no consensus changes required. >=20 > **Reference implementation & full code:** > https://github.com/DigiMancer3D/bip-xxx-sphincs-hybrid >=20 > **Draft BIP text:** > https://github.com/DigiMancer3D/bip-xxx-sphincs-hybrid/blob/main/bip-xxx.= mediawiki >=20 > This is intended as a practical bridge for quantum-hardened cold storage/= paper wallets while post-quantum consensus migration=C2=A0is still in the f= uture. >=20 > Happy to answer questions, incorporate feedback, and make any changes nee= ded. >=20 > Thanks, > DigiMancer3D >=20 > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups= "Bitcoin Development Mailing List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an= email to bitcoindev+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/bitcoinde= v/bpSypbIuSoDinhE-Y4CrVI5LGHrJ_I79xYUzpYswA5JGkbASwibq94UozeR2jsu48vH6FZLdE= BPpWHgIuVtSpUNy-tRpnGfe1hce2ti8k5w%3D%40protonmail.com. --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= Bitcoin Development Mailing List" group. 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3=E2=80=99s Company HE-SD (High-Entropy = Seed Distillation) algorithm

= Never heard of that. Google shows no results. Doesn't seem to exist.=

(which uses SPX-QEC for cleanup)

Cleanup of what? What is SPX-QEC? Your draft doc links = to this word-salad repo. I can't make sense of how this is related.=

This is intended as a practical = bridge for quantum-hardened cold storage/paper wallets while post-quantum c= onsensus migration is still in the future.

What does this even mean? There is no way to "q= uantum harden" a secp256k1 keypair with different entropy, despite what som= e snake-oil salesmen are saying. A curve point is a curve point and Shor's algorithm can f= actor it to find its discrete log just as well as any other point.

Mods, this appears to be an underinformed pr= oposal at best, AI slop/spam, or even phishing at worst. = ;

= The keygen code is unreadable gibberish to my eye. Output entropy could= be compromised in a way that only the author knows, designed to steal any = money deposited into the output keys. Don't click on links to websites you = don't already know & trust.

DigiMancer3D, if this is not the case, pleas= e explain your proposal better and document your code.

regards,
conduition
On Tuesday, May 26th, 2026 at 6:19 PM, '3D' via Bitcoin Development= Mailing List <bitcoindev@googlegroups.com> wrote:
Hi all,

I'd like to propose a new wallet-lay= er BIP for a practical hybrid post-quantum key derivation scheme.

**Title:** Hybrid SPHINCS+ / secp256k1 Key Derivation for Q= uantum-Resistant Bitcoin Wallets

**Summary:**
This BIP defines a simple, immediately usable method that combines NI= ST-standardized SLH-DSA (SPHINCS+) with the 3=E2=80=99s Company HE-SD (High= -Entropy Seed Distillation) algorithm (which uses SPX-QEC for cleanup) to d= erive ordinary secp256k1 private keys and standard Bitcoin addresses (legac= y + BIP-341 Taproot).

The process is fully offline= , runs on low-end/air-gapped hardware (Raspberry Pi class), and produces ke= ys that work today with Electrum, bitaddress.org, and Bitcoin Core; no= consensus changes required.

**Reference implement= ation & full code:**

**Draft BIP text:**
=

This is intended as a practical bridge for quantum-hardened cold storage/p= aper wallets while post-quantum consensus migration is still in the fu= ture.

Happy to answer questions, incorporate feedb= ack, and make any changes needed.

Thanks,
DigiMancer3D

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