From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from smtp4.osuosl.org (smtp4.osuosl.org [IPv6:2605:bc80:3010::137]) by lists.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60DF0C002B for ; Sun, 5 Feb 2023 12:47:41 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp4.osuosl.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2749A4160D for ; Sun, 5 Feb 2023 12:47:41 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Filter: OpenDKIM Filter v2.11.0 smtp4.osuosl.org 2749A4160D X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at osuosl.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.902 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.902 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, NICE_REPLY_A=-0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from smtp4.osuosl.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp4.osuosl.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id AFdGeUrs_xgg for ; Sun, 5 Feb 2023 12:47:39 +0000 (UTC) X-Greylist: delayed 19:46:14 by SQLgrey-1.8.0 DKIM-Filter: OpenDKIM Filter v2.11.0 smtp4.osuosl.org 5A1F14160B Received: from 4.mo552.mail-out.ovh.net (4.mo552.mail-out.ovh.net [178.33.43.201]) by smtp4.osuosl.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5A1F14160B for ; Sun, 5 Feb 2023 12:47:39 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mxplan6.mail.ovh.net (unknown [10.109.138.7]) by mo552.mail-out.ovh.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0778E29121; Sun, 5 Feb 2023 12:47:37 +0000 (UTC) Received: from peersm.com (37.59.142.108) by DAG6EX2.mxp6.local (172.16.2.52) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_2, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_128_GCM_SHA256) id 15.1.2507.17; Sun, 5 Feb 2023 13:47:36 +0100 Authentication-Results: garm.ovh; auth=pass (GARM-108S0025a606c24-b342-4cce-afe3-1a47f558f2e4, 0098AF237195B9B300583606E28666A1C7481BE7) smtp.auth=aymeric@peersm.com X-OVh-ClientIp: 92.184.100.162 To: Peter Todd , Bitcoin Protocol Discussion , Christopher Allen References: <57f780b1-f262-9394-036c-70084320e9cf@peersm.com> <3d00aacb-585d-f875-784d-34352860d725@peersm.com> <230265ee-c3f8-dff3-9192-f0c8dc4d913c@peersm.com> <28C74556-8AB4-4E16-AC7D-7F3FAA0A29AC@petertodd.org> <0267d5bb-a54b-894b-3d45-e6cb89eb86a5@peersm.com> From: Aymeric Vitte Message-ID: <92f7a26f-293c-b1e6-d9b2-8de44af5e31c@peersm.com> Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2023 13:47:38 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: [37.59.142.108] X-ClientProxiedBy: DAG3EX1.mxp6.local (172.16.2.21) To DAG6EX2.mxp6.local (172.16.2.52) X-Ovh-Tracer-GUID: 6dcd2721-1ecc-44a9-bb43-00a45cfd5ae7 X-Ovh-Tracer-Id: 11918776417655481309 X-VR-SPAMSTATE: OK X-VR-SPAMSCORE: -100 X-VR-SPAMCAUSE: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgedvhedrudeggedggeegucetufdoteggodetrfdotffvucfrrhhofhhilhgvmecuqfggjfdpvefjgfevmfevgfenuceurghilhhouhhtmecuhedttdenucesvcftvggtihhpihgvnhhtshculddquddttddmnecujfgurhepuffvfhfhkffffgggjggtgfhisehtkeertddtfeejnecuhfhrohhmpeethihmvghrihgtucggihhtthgvuceorgihmhgvrhhitgesphgvvghrshhmrdgtohhmqeenucggtffrrghtthgvrhhnpeektedvhffgffefgefgleelgfduteehfeefieffieekueevgeeivdffvedvgfelvdenucffohhmrghinhepghhithhhuhgsrdgtohhmpdhpvggvrhhsmhdrtghomhdplhhinhhkvgguihhnrdgtohhmnecukfhppeduvdejrddtrddtrddupdefjedrheelrddugedvrddutdeknecuvehluhhsthgvrhfuihiivgeptdenucfrrghrrghmpehinhgvthepuddvjedrtddrtddruddpmhgrihhlfhhrohhmpeeorgihmhgvrhhitgesphgvvghrshhmrdgtohhmqedpnhgspghrtghpthhtohepuddprhgtphhtthhopeevhhhrihhsthhophhhvghrteeslhhifhgvfihithhhrghlrggtrhhithihrdgtohhmpdgsihhttghoihhnqdguvghvsehlihhsthhsrdhlihhnuhigfhhouhhnuggrthhiohhnrdhorhhgpdhpvghtvgesphgvthgvrhhtohguugdrohhrghdpoffvtefjohhsthepmhhoheehvddpmhhouggvpehsmhhtphhouhht X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sun, 05 Feb 2023 15:47:20 +0000 Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] Debate: 64 bytes in OP_RETURN VS taproot OP_FALSE OP_IF OP_PUSH X-BeenThere: bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Bitcoin Protocol Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 05 Feb 2023 12:47:41 -0000 Yes I agree, let people decide and since taproot has no limits then it sould be the same for OP_RETURN I posted https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/27043 Le 05/02/2023 à 13:06, Peter Todd a écrit : > > On February 5, 2023 12:40:38 PM GMT+01:00, Aymeric Vitte wrote: >> I think logically: >> >> - if you want to store something big and can afford several txs in your >> design, then you use something like witness >> >> - if you want to store small things like signatures, addresses hashes >> and some metadata and your design does not make several txs easy, then >> you use OP_RETURN >> >> Then how can we move forward with several OP_RETURN and no size limit? > Because what matters is the impact on other users. OpReturn isn't in UTXO space and doesn't even take advantage of the witness discount, so it clearly has minimal impact. > > Since it has minimal impact, there's no reason to micromanage exactly how people use it. Let them decide for themselves with the fee market. 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