From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from sog-mx-1.v43.ch3.sourceforge.com ([172.29.43.191] helo=mx.sourceforge.net) by sfs-ml-4.v29.ch3.sourceforge.com with esmtp (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from <165318903@qq.com>) id 1Z4jhJ-0007pY-CO for bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net; Tue, 16 Jun 2015 05:46:09 +0000 Received-SPF: pass (sog-mx-1.v43.ch3.sourceforge.com: domain of qq.com designates 14.17.43.214 as permitted sender) client-ip=14.17.43.214; envelope-from=165318903@qq.com; helo=smtpbg329.qq.com; Received: from smtpbg329.qq.com ([14.17.43.214]) by sog-mx-1.v43.ch3.sourceforge.com with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.76) id 1Z4jhC-0008MY-Mv for bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net; Tue, 16 Jun 2015 05:46:09 +0000 X-QQ-mid: esmtp27t1434432597t592t11389 Received: from [10.24.75.53] (unknown [113.200.205.208]) by esmtp4.qq.com (ESMTP) with id ; Tue, 16 Jun 2015 13:29:56 +0800 (CST) X-QQ-SSF: 0000000000000060FG101F00000000Z X-QQ-FEAT: tZ7SKDDlSpG7Xk5XuK7+6OEQEuZaSuy2EvX+R4mpZ/a7OcP/+wb9OB9gKsLlw AARWy+lpJFgM85Ssy0Cs2hT32nyUez35Fp126ckYRva8J2M7pulbdd2Srikc/rWAuiGoBDb gpyCBNXHY9zTEr/+9oHwI7JuME/nDwnrDRQLX4AtwlagX1TV0HcsPTpFdnGUemO1ET61Tfm QMmAvyjEDiBYCuIf7Z+dV1DlUGBrdqr7lz0SVfTs3bFAsKKJg2JmM X-QQ-GoodBg: 0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) From: Potter QQ <165318903@qq.com> X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (12B436) In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2015 13:30:05 +0800 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <93C95467-E3A6-4247-9284-699A99B34904@qq.com> References: <201506160341.10994.luke@dashjr.org> To: "justusranvier@riseup.net" X-QQ-SENDSIZE: 520 X-Spam-Score: -1.6 (-) X-Spam-Report: Spam Filtering performed by mx.sourceforge.net. See http://spamassassin.org/tag/ for more details. -1.5 SPF_CHECK_PASS SPF reports sender host as permitted sender for sender-domain 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (165318903[at]qq.com) -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [14.17.43.214 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 SPF_HELO_PASS SPF: HELO matches SPF record -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record -0.5 RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain 0.2 FREEMAIL_ENVFROM_END_DIGIT Envelope-from freemail username ends in digit (165318903[at]qq.com) 0.1 DKIM_SIGNED Message has a DKIM or DK signature, not necessarily valid 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid X-Headers-End: 1Z4jhC-0008MY-Mv Cc: Bitcoin Dev Subject: Re: [Bitcoin-development] The Bitcoin Node Market X-BeenThere: bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2015 05:46:09 -0000 No,Bitcoin=20 =E5=8F=91=E8=87=AA=E6=88=91=E7=9A=84 iPhone > =E5=9C=A8 2015=E5=B9=B46=E6=9C=8816=E6=97=A5=EF=BC=8C13:28=EF=BC=8Cjustusr= anvier@riseup.net =E5=86=99=E9=81=93=EF=BC=9A >=20 >> On 2015-06-16 03:49, Kevin Greene wrote: >> =E2=80=8BHah, fair enough, there is no such thing as the "right" way to d= o >> anything. But I still think punishing users who use SPV wallets is =E2=80= =8Ba >> less-than-ideal way to incentive people to run full nodes. Right now=20 >> SPV is >> the best way that exists for mobile phones to participate in the=20 >> network in >> a decentralized way. This proposal makes the user experience for mobile >> wallets a little more confusing and annoying. >=20 > Suppose a billion mobile phones wanted to run SPV wallets tomorrow. Who=20= > would provide the nodes they would need connect to? The decentralization=20= > fairy? >=20 > There's absolutely no reason that paying for connectivity would be any=20 > more confusing or annoying than transaction fees are. >=20 > If some full nodes in the network started offering paid connection=20 > slots, that would just mean that users who checked the "pay subscription=20= > fee" box in their wallet configuration would have an easier time=20 > connecting than the users who did't, just like how your transaction=20 > might eventually get mined without a fee but paying one makes it faster=20= > and more probable. >=20 > --------------------------------------------------------------------------= ---- > _______________________________________________ > Bitcoin-development mailing list > Bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinf