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[URIs: github.com] -1.5 SPF_CHECK_PASS SPF reports sender host as permitted sender for sender-domain -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record X-Headers-End: 1VXhGz-0007dw-SC Cc: Bitcoin Development Subject: Re: [Bitcoin-development] A critique of bitcoin open source community X-BeenThere: bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2013 00:53:38 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_0211C741-5095-402D-AF16-A999DFDA29D0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >> Having it on the BIP page doesn't make it any more official, I agree, = but it does increase its exposure and will hopefully spark some more = discussion. >=20 > Having it on the BIP page *does* make it more official, at least the = way > we've been using the BIP page, which is to filter out the proposals = that > haven't gotten much support at all. (or maybe are just controversial) Interesting. The main reason I wrote my proposal was because the only = proposal that came close to covering the same area was BIP 39, which at = that time had 2 paragraphs of text (although admittedly did link to a = text file off site where the draft was being developed). And currently = there are 2 proposals that have numbers allocated but are empty (BIP 40 = and 41) with no references to the development or discussion. I appreciate the fact that acceptance of proposals on the BIP page are = more strict, but it may be desirable to have the enforcement be more = uniform. Also, BIP 38 is gaining more acceptance out in the community = (many sites support the import of these keys and a growing number of = paper wallet sites / coin / card vendors are offering it as an option), = yet it's still missing from the BIP list, which seems to me a bit = counter to the arguments given about community acceptance. > FWIW I myself haven't pushed hard for getting an "official" BIP number > for my draft NODE_BLOOM BIP, even though I've got support from most of > the dev team on the pull-request: > https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/2900 I'm probably at the point > where I could get one assigned - Litecoin for instance has made that > change - but really I just see that as a formality; that it's still a > controversial idea is much more relevant. > In any case I don't see any working code in your email, I'd suggest > writing some. You're BIP would be much more likely to be accepted if = you > were more involved in wallet development. Good point. I'm developing my own client (which has the code up and = running, with unit tests), but I'm not ready to release it just yet = until I've got all the client's alpha features working. Would putting = contact information there so people can ask for the relevant code be = sufficient until I have my client up on github? jp --Apple-Mail=_0211C741-5095-402D-AF16-A999DFDA29D0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: Message signed with OpenPGP using GPGMail -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Comment: GPGTools - https://gpgtools.org iQIcBAEBCgAGBQJSYylhAAoJEG93Vo4Z7tpFH4cP/iKL+vx89L+eE9/KeJAiXFsf mNX7brnL4xcoqV+IsqgBq/PfdpKB/WfrY21klaxSnhj+LOlqAOV1/c36u+t9tZco xIfvo8bero6ct4w3BM0nip1NTFAo1D4hC2VM5G1J9siyahUuZNnjDcZnYhXszbng HukvyHqnUwaYNMAeCexr1RMuE06sa5sjc/WUTFUhldElxQ2AMJxmTDM/4k7LhCp0 a9YnvHOJI8i5yEW/y8D3zy5uo5vOOkdyrN5Ja/zkVp1VEVqHyhW2Ld6ZBpqJnywN cOxgBKOaDFJ1BLQpIIn0CK5DAgM6agw0eCbIxuupZzvsWl8RqbnevOtlcr44C8Fz m8hpQdjTxqXvb0T0VMisEGTpd9nhtTiSyehP6BIWo12TyLoTObKhB4WKp5Nw8+tQ WuBwixGmcdBi6CXdGFgeQTZEO8SLBnositYe/ixb83oQSqrlBGELydCSZ2VEsosa WqBInhGxcNiOLFW3VW78IowxK95zxFrPaF4osrFaIYhk5f6p1xdVDbjzbsfwDgOx yZ6jFNWepM+VMp2H8jnIwa4xBfrJx2CTO9ZpxOCyZ+Y/DchY/aHSY21iYQscgRcA 5nRX9XDHWlEES4yyoo1VL5JvnQHAgCFZNTBL7I2IEubVXHehIyuXJJDZKF/nseZ4 NloIKTAkYo5don1a0+xu =qdxi -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Apple-Mail=_0211C741-5095-402D-AF16-A999DFDA29D0--