From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from sog-mx-1.v43.ch3.sourceforge.com ([172.29.43.191] helo=mx.sourceforge.net) by sfs-ml-1.v29.ch3.sourceforge.com with esmtp (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1WSXK3-0002by-ER for bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net; Tue, 25 Mar 2014 19:47:43 +0000 Received-SPF: pass (sog-mx-1.v43.ch3.sourceforge.com: domain of petertodd.org designates 62.13.148.102 as permitted sender) client-ip=62.13.148.102; envelope-from=pete@petertodd.org; helo=outmail148102.authsmtp.net; Received: from outmail148102.authsmtp.net ([62.13.148.102]) by sog-mx-1.v43.ch3.sourceforge.com with esmtp (Exim 4.76) id 1WSXK0-0002wB-EO for bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net; Tue, 25 Mar 2014 19:47:43 +0000 Received: from mail-c237.authsmtp.com (mail-c237.authsmtp.com [62.13.128.237]) by punt14.authsmtp.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id s2PJlR10009601; Tue, 25 Mar 2014 19:47:27 GMT Received: from [25.24.59.202] ([24.114.74.183]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail.authsmtp.com (8.14.2/8.14.2/) with ESMTP id s2PJlLr9044404 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 25 Mar 2014 19:47:24 GMT User-Agent: K-9 Mail for Android In-Reply-To: References: <20140322084702.GA13436@savin> <20140322150836.GG3180@nl.grid.coop> <20140322190825.GB6047@savin> <532DE7E6.4050304@monetize.io> <20140325122851.GA9818@savin> <20140325134918.GB7929@savin> <5331C49B.2000709@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 From: Peter Todd Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2014 15:47:15 -0400 To: slush , Alan Reiner Message-ID: <9e0d85b1-a9a3-4198-b048-63359e871eb1@email.android.com> X-Server-Quench: 4a25591a-b456-11e3-94fa-002590a135d3 X-AuthReport-Spam: If SPAM / abuse - report it at: http://www.authsmtp.com/abuse X-AuthRoute: OCd2Yg0TA1ZNQRgX IjsJECJaVQIpKltL GxAVKBZePFsRUQkR aQdMdAcUFVQGAgsB AmIbWl1eVFp7W2Y7 aQ5PbARZfE1KQQRi U1dNRFdNFUsrA3x7 WmJcWxl2cwFGfDBy ZEVmXj5fDUZ/cE98 E1MGEWgAeGZhPWMC WUQOJh5UcAFPdx8U a1N6AHBDAzANdhES HhM4ODE3eDlSNilR RRkIIFQOdA43BDMx AhsCFDQpBgUdXSg3 LhknLFcGDQ4KL0A3 OEEwMf9/ X-Authentic-SMTP: 61633532353630.1024:706 X-AuthFastPath: 0 (Was 255) X-AuthSMTP-Origin: 24.114.74.183/465 X-AuthVirus-Status: No virus detected - but ensure you scan with your own anti-virus system. X-Spam-Score: -1.5 (-) X-Spam-Report: Spam Filtering performed by mx.sourceforge.net. See http://spamassassin.org/tag/ for more details. -1.5 SPF_CHECK_PASS SPF reports sender host as permitted sender for sender-domain -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record X-Headers-End: 1WSXK0-0002wB-EO Cc: "bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net" Subject: Re: [Bitcoin-development] Tree-chains preliminary summary X-BeenThere: bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2014 19:47:43 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 OK, deal. You guys stop calling my concerns FUD, accusing me of having ulterior motives, etc. and I'll pay the same respect to you. On 25 March 2014 14:13:36 GMT-04:00, slush wrote: >I fully agree, please keep friendly environment on this list. Btw I >also >met people who were making fun about Peter's reactions on bitcoin-dev. > >slush > > >On Tue, Mar 25, 2014 at 7:02 PM, Alan Reiner >wrote: > >> I would echo the need for some kind of moderation. >> >> I believe Peter Todd is an extremely intelligent individual, who has >a >> lot to offer the Bitcoin community. He has a firm grasp of a lot of >> really deep Bitcoin concepts and his *technical* insight is generally >> positive. Technically. But the way he communicates on this list is >> *extremely* corrosive and breeds hostility. It makes it a scary >place >> to discuss things, with frequent, public ridicule of everything >posted. >> >> I agree that I would rather have a friendly environment to discuss >> technicals, even if it means losing additional technical insight. >> People who would explicitly insult other contributors intelligence >and >> character on a public list should be subject to some kind of negative >> reinforcement. Maybe there's solutions other than outright banning. >> >> -Alan >> >> >> >> On 03/25/2014 01:37 PM, Jeff Garzik wrote: >> > On Tue, Mar 25, 2014 at 9:49 AM, Peter Todd >wrote: >> >> For someone with 'Chief Scientist' as their job title, I'm >surprised you >> >> think so little of hard evidence and so much of idol worshipping. >> > Peter, take this unprofessional, personal crap off-list. >> > >> > Mike's anecdote of hostility is not an isolated one. Just today, a >> > bitcore developer commented on "Peter Todd's ..apocalyptic vision >> > and... negative view on bitcoin" which turned off some other >> > developers from participating more interactively. >> > >> > As I commented on IRC, open source projects are no strangers to >people >> > who simultaneously (a) make useful contributions and (b) turn >> > potential contributors away with an abrasive or hostile attitude >> > toward others. It's an unsolved problem in OSS, that I saw for 15+ >> > years in the Linux kernel community. >> > >> > For this list, as Mike suggested on IRC, introducing an openly >stated >> > moderation policy may be the one route. >> > >> >> >> >> >------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> Learn Graph Databases - Download FREE O'Reilly Book >> "Graph Databases" is the definitive new guide to graph databases and >their >> applications. Written by three acclaimed leaders in the field, >> this first edition is now available. 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