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That way you can bump 0.001 =E1=B9=A9/vB to 0.002 =E1=B9=A9/vB, otherwise= you'll have to go straight to 1.001 =E1=B9=A9/vB. In addition, you would need to convince at least one miner to configure a m= atching -blockmintxfee, otherwise these low fee transactions remain stuck i= n your mempool until expiration (or CPFP). Some background: https://bitcoin.stackexchange.com/a/120782/4948 A downside to consider is that it makes any potential mempool DoS attack 10= 00x cheaper*, but I don't know if there are any to worry about. Comparison with historical minimum fee rates can be tricky, especially beca= use the lightning network wasn't around yet. There's now an increased incen= tive to knock out a full node if it's connected to a lightning node. So eve= n if there's no vulnerability to attack today, it's probably good to keep f= ees somewhat high to ensure new attacks are expensive. - Sjors * =3D assuming the attack scales linear with the amount of transaction data= , and not e.g. quadratic or exponential > Op 31 jan 2025, om 09:49 heeft Greg Tonoski het v= olgende geschreven: >=20 > The minrelaytxfee default value of 1000/kvB (1 sat/vbyte) has been set > in Bitcoin nodes since 2013 or earlier. In 2013, 1000 sats were priced > at $0.01, today it is about 100 times more. Wouldn't you like to > consider adjusting your node configuration and lower the hurdle, > perhaps? I would suggest setting minrelaytxfee=3D0.00000001 (which > translates to 0.001 sat/vbyte) as a rule of thumb. The value could be > set in a bitcoin.conf file. There is negligible number of such > reconfigured nodes relaying transactions with fee-rates below 1 > sat/vbyte currently. >=20 > There is the intention to unblock transactions with fee-rate below 1 > sat/vbyte in Bitcoin. Probably consolidation and multisig types of > transactions would benefit the most. --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= Bitcoin Development Mailing List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an e= mail to bitcoindev+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/bitcoindev/= A8F96312-613D-4090-B6C9-0A4C41418986%40sprovoost.nl.