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[76.167.237.202]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id oa14sm12691475pdb.47.2015.06.19.21.02.07 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Fri, 19 Jun 2015 21:02:10 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 8.2 \(2098\)) Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_08455CE8-2B7F-4F01-944E-05CFACE57279"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha512 X-Pgp-Agent: GPGMail 2.5b6 From: Eric Lombrozo In-Reply-To: <201506200348.06564.luke@dashjr.org> Date: Fri, 19 Jun 2015 21:02:06 -0700 Message-Id: References: <20150619103959.GA32315@savin.petertodd.org> <201506200348.06564.luke@dashjr.org> To: Luke Dashjr X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.2098) X-Spam-Score: -1.2 (-) X-Spam-Report: Spam Filtering performed by mx.sourceforge.net. See http://spamassassin.org/tag/ for more details. -1.5 SPF_CHECK_PASS SPF reports sender host as permitted sender for sender-domain 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (elombrozo[at]gmail.com) -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record -0.1 DKIM_VALID_AU Message has a valid DKIM or DK signature from author's domain 0.1 DKIM_SIGNED Message has a DKIM or DK signature, not necessarily valid -0.1 DKIM_VALID Message has at least one valid DKIM or DK signature 0.4 AWL AWL: Adjusted score from AWL reputation of From: address X-Headers-End: 1Z69yz-0001g7-9R Cc: bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Bitcoin-development] F2Pool has enabled full replace-by-fee X-BeenThere: bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 20 Jun 2015 04:02:18 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_08455CE8-2B7F-4F01-944E-05CFACE57279 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > On Jun 19, 2015, at 8:48 PM, Luke Dashjr wrote: >=20 > On Saturday, June 20, 2015 1:23:03 AM Aaron Voisine wrote: >> They don't need to be made cryptographically safe, they just have to = be >> safer than, for instance, credit card payments that can be charged = back. As >> long as it's reasonably good in practice, that's fine. >=20 > They never will be. You can get a decent rate of success merely by = making one > transaction propagate fast (eg, 1 input, 1 output) and the other slow = (eg, > 1000 inputs, 1000 outputs) and choosing your peers carefully. The only = reason > unconfirmed transactions aren't double spent today is because nobody = is > seriously *trying*. >=20 > Luke >=20 Newspapers are often sold in vending machines that make it possible for = anyone to just pay the price of one and take them all=E2=80=A6and most = of the time they are not that carefully monitored. Why? Because most = people have better things to do than try to steal a few newspapers. They = probably were much more closely monitored earlier in their history=E2=80=A6= but once it became clear that despite the obvious attack vector very few = people actually try to game it, vendors figured it wasn=E2=80=99t really = that big a risk. Same thing applies to people trying to steal a piece of = bubble gum at the cash register at a convenience store by = double-spending. - Eric Lombrozo > = --------------------------------------------------------------------------= ---- > _______________________________________________ > Bitcoin-development mailing list > Bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bitcoin-development --Apple-Mail=_08455CE8-2B7F-4F01-944E-05CFACE57279 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: Message signed with OpenPGP using GPGMail -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Comment: GPGTools - https://gpgtools.org iQIcBAEBCgAGBQJVhOW+AAoJEJNAI64YFENUAUAQAILbh2n1YHjALZb2uXFwgr/o CRzHsmdY2ImpfYhBlhbsBq1DpcUdnsX6lSeVAlTKX5rVZhyYFxRSf4IaVCkaHDzt SgWDvd9F4S2N333KHzYrpF4lvj5un3ID8SfFn/1f7NvUMn+mTp9WI0g+S9jL2mHH rnZJ8yPrZWPwfqEs96dz81j8/OJle3DBUt7Zp6rqv1FNnPn8RPRdMtvSC9jyegzL WKJvE1hx4F+W/MjC7F2MAaXHgH5Kr2vxkd4+OvhJWY11E6O11BBCmhsG7KaQ1LaU DF4p9WDUzlcHFBPld1+d+c5mY/9oVeEToe4f+/6iR8N7U8VZ0DKqb0RziFOOFanu K7+7Dfcj+koH9U1M4Yxp4JxHLDgWnGnRGBkjwwGbGbKPRpv3IUKsKx7G6ancYcM+ xkAik/MSKXPGQTYnra/mubX74td419mzWl2P/PSRjFJtdfvkBqXT4ysyAZtEzVbH vTOkbM1AoNazjSAwI1cdbpCMYKowNL0+b6B8Cd5HWJgEugUh9p/KVwxk/VrdlG7x Y5E6uh5UgfzJQpabWsawjTTw4yXW7qa39j+5WFSG0Igm5ZlChVzc3L8xzv0RR6Z6 i+YUGFdd/6C82wgqdcG1r5C6W+iJ0DY05C04loYgEE3R1gojbRwAS1JMi/Vcl6gD O5kLI34qe41Sfi7bT+2C =9bYl -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Apple-Mail=_08455CE8-2B7F-4F01-944E-05CFACE57279--